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*** Prehistory. We with Urrimar was long time in the realms. Then Jaslar enters and they decided to raid me. Killed me. Looted all the can take. Well.. I came to reraid.

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Prepared for Urimarr's brutal tactics you manage to step back at the very last moment, weakening his strike.
You yell, 'Help! Urimarr has just tried to cleave me in half!'
Urimarr's cleave *** DEVASTATES *** you!
Urimarr is in perfect condition.

<739/983 511/511 314/318 $116.84 754482 EW> k ba
No way!  You are still fighting!
Urimarr is in perfect condition.

<739/983 511/511 314/318 $116.84 754482 EW> No way!  You are still fighting!
Urimarr lets out a cry of outrage!
Urimarr's wrath does UNSPEAKABLE things to you!
That really did HURT!
Urimarr's wrath *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Urimarr's blast *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You dodge Urimarr's wrath.
Urimarr delivers a blow of deadly force!
Urimarr's blast >>> ANNIHILATES <<< you!
You have been KILLED!!

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And of course the looted the rest. Left only few crap items.

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You tell Urimarr, 'You looted me?'
Urimarr tells you, 'No.'
You say, 'Is it new tactic to loot weapons?'
Someone nods.
You smirk.
You say, 'It seem no honour left in this realms.'
Urimarr nods.
You tell Urimarr, 'Why you got my hoopaks?'
Urimarr tells you, 'Not me.'
You tell Urimarr, 'But you are Warlord of the camp.'
Urimarr tells you, 'Yes, I am.'
You tell Urimarr, 'What for you need it? I fought in the battle one against you and your solder looted me twice.'
Urimarr tells you, 'First, you not the one who will teach me honor.'
Urimarr tells you, 'Second, you're not the one who will teach me.'
You tell Urimarr, 'Go away worm.'
You tell Urimarr, 'You only can fight in numberous forces.'
You tell Urimarr, 'You are not minotaur but snake.'
deaf
From now on, you won't hear tells.
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Have nothing more to add. 2Immortals: And not even try to tell me something more on roleplay to my characters :P Here is no more RP in Solace, so relax.

You've got what you've got. Or shall I rember you how you loot others being DHL with words  Takhisis needs that things. Ha! За что боролись, на то и напоролись.

I raided Tower for several times that's why I didn't have enough time for you. Then I spit on Yonaki and went to you. By the way I didn't take anything from your corpse. Neither first time no second. And what for you became deaf? It was the easiest way to stop conversation which I wanted to continue. Please, stop crying about your clothes. By the way, I remember that things on your Ajraah  ??? I wonder how you got'em. I hope now you surely will start to play your trash Tissel which only dies, steals my weapons and sacrifices them.

[log]
In the camp of Heretics

- north east south west -
(White Aura) Yegemoth the male kender is here.
(White Aura) Bobogean the male wild elf is here.

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Bobogean raises his voice, chanting in an ancient tone, 'Est naealle dagnir nih.'
Bobogean conjures a cloud of purple smoke.

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strang ye

Your vision dulls.

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You step out of the shadows.
Yegemoth yells, 'Help! Jaslar just tried to strangle me!'
Your strangulation attempt misses Yegemoth.
Yegemoth has some small wounds.

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< Jaslar: bleeding wounds // Yegemoth: small wounds >
Your determination drives you to enhance your attack!
Your claw MASSACRES Yegemoth!
You hand block Yegemoth's shocking bite.
You dodge Yegemoth's shocking bite.
You dodge an enraged bull's charge.
Yegemoth has some small wounds.

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< Jaslar: bleeding wounds // Yegemoth: small wounds >
fle

Yegemoth trips you and you go down!
Yegemoth's trip hits you.
You recover from the fall and jump up on your legs!
Yegemoth has some small wounds.

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fle
< Jaslar: bleeding wounds // Yegemoth: small wounds >

An enraged bull gores you with his horns.
An enraged bull's goring horns MASSACRES you!
Bobogean utters in a beautiful, mystical incantation, 'Alfirin naealle alasse hino.'
You yell, 'Die, Bobogean you sorcerous dog!'
Yegemoth has some small wounds.

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< Jaslar: bleeding wounds // Yegemoth: small wounds >
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Yeah, whine a bit more please, I really enjoy.

[log]
You are Jaslar the Master of Shadows
Race: dark elf    Sex: male   Age: 201 years old (mature)
You are a chaotic evil assassin, Wayfollower of the Shadows.
Level: 30, with 8370543 exp (experience to level: 1441505)
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Who tell you I'm Ajraah and Tissel? Trying to use OOC information to make IC decisions? Every character have complete background and don't interacts with others. If Ajraah looted Heretics it was only because of your actions. As always Heretics is are bunch loosers.

What can you tell me when you both left fast when Meidot came to help me? Don't like to fight in equal forces?

You guys need to relax. This game is only just a game, stop taking it so personally.

You're exactly right. But, unfortunately, it's getting bad enough that if the immortals don't start doing something about it, people will begin to leave. This is a great MUD, but it gets ruined by people like the current 'Heretics', who only made their character to completely demolish everyone else.

All i'm saying is, if you come online and die every time because Heretics team up their overpowered skills and beat the crap out of you, you get tired; therefore, we will start to lose people, especially the newbies.

When you killed Trundar 4 on 1 and full loot all his crap it was OK. When you raided from six attempt by same team naked Trundar and Gorame and then again full loot both it was OK. Now you whining? :)

I guess it is you and rest other newcoming entropy ruins the game. I starting to think that Raider was right - looting is OOC thing showing how you respect players behind the chars. And seems you do not have it at all.

Agree at all!

Indeed

my 5 cents: power should be equal responsibility.
heretics need got more responsibility for their actions or lesser power.

[log]

Prepared for Urimarr's brutal tactics you manage to step back at the very last moment, weakening his strike.
You yell, 'Help! Urimarr has just tried to cleave me in half!'
Urimarr's cleave *** DEVASTATES *** you!
Urimarr is in perfect condition.

<739/983 511/511 314/318 $116.84 754482 EW> k ba
No way!  You are still fighting!
Urimarr is in perfect condition.

<739/983 511/511 314/318 $116.84 754482 EW> No way!  You are still fighting!
Urimarr lets out a cry of outrage!
Urimarr's wrath does UNSPEAKABLE things to you!
That really did HURT!
Urimarr's wrath *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Urimarr's blast *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You dodge Urimarr's wrath.
Urimarr delivers a blow of deadly force!
Urimarr's blast >>> ANNIHILATES <<< you!
You have been KILLED!!

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dont you think it s too much power, when heretics kill in 2 rounds one of the most "defensive" combination in game? just asking...

and also if players behind heretics so powerfull that can kill anybody, let s discuse can they do it with another classes/clans not being in heretics???

Heretics have to be powerfull. But many people who enter in heretics camp forget that they have some code that include thier role. Heretics should not just type get all corpse. And Warlord of heretics should punish all who looted and wasn't involve in killing. But it's depends from a person.

The most stupied thing heretics are doing is that they loot clanless people. If a person goes to clan he/she should understand that he/she may be looted but if a person is a newbie and not clanned and such killing machine just came and eradicate all people will think does thier time worth  to learn game? More, if heretics under bloodthirst due some reason and meet a person who just accidantly enters to him heretic tries to hold and kill it instead of retreat and explain that it's better to keep a distance as he/she was hunting other enemy.

I talked to one heretic after accidentally casting a spell in front of him (and being subsequently attacked) and actually had a really excellent conversation about magic and the realms. I could tell this person actually believed they were fighting for a cause and not just eq or power. I wish I would have recorded the conversation, but it was really wonderful, well roleplayed, and I showed through my character that some of his points were even convincing. The most important thing is we had an open discussion and tried to reason things out with our minds instaed of our fists.

Most heretics just lack control. Some seem to think because they have the skill "bloodlust" that anything they do they can just blame on instinct (and I'm not talking just about killing people, but the attitude involved).

Heretics exist on Krynn for a reason (read the text file on this site), and if you just go about mindlessly killing people, making excuses and being unreasonable-- NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. It's up to the clan-members involved to raise this cabal's status from "joke" on the realms.

When I came to reraid solamnia. Bjo, yegemoth, Meidot and Illizin (the one who is alter)
was inside Solamnia keep. I waited till knight rebirth, but was attacked by those 4 and retreated. after Chaos left Solamnia I came to reraid , this time was only trundar and Gorame... When They came knight of solamnia I looked at them and saw solamnic weapon and sighn of the Diety they worship. No single item was left by your gang. Though on 31th rank I couldn't do anyting against single trundar, I had no fun fighting that battle.
I don't understand at all: why you cry about looting you by Urimarr?

And I don't get the point of doing this. I take adrenalin from fighting strong enemy, killing 3 vs one - have no fun. Killing naked - also. This is competiotion of knowledge and skill(I do not discuss RP here, though it is very impotant and one of the most interesting things). This is a competiotion of people that respect each other. Though I do not respect Vasq+Shapa+Co Combo. But I had fun fighting them against each separately.

P.S.
As for me, I was very supprised, when I was bjacked on reraid in solamnia keep, dispelled and morphed to snail and after that killed, that you took only some items from my corpse (seems the rest was so crappy :-))

Still as a knight I am ready for this. And I will never complain about full loot and never complained before.
Nowadays such things is typical for Solace, so I admited this, when desided to play here. When things change for the best - I will be only happy. But now most of the troubles - lack of players. That is why we have such autocastmashines like Keeno or kind lady Kamilla *tip*. I realy don't know what to do with that Kender? Any tips? *smile*

swing+lash+crush+drum?  ;)

two-three heretics

I didn't loot him!  :o

imho
because chaos clan has no restriction rp as heresy
they are not proud mino warlord who hates thieves
that is compensated by different powers

So maybe i'll through in a bit of my knowledge... hmn. seems everyone hates being full looted. ive been on other muds where you can only take one thing out of a corpse at a time. Thus slowing the full looting process down sure you may lose your more powerful things. but at least your corpse may not be empty....

heh. Kodziro is only one who got an idea right. Chaos Arm's powers are just  a set of funny spells - nothing more in compare with Heretic's. So they must have hard RP restriction, written in their Code. And looting by Chaos arm and looting by Heretic is not the same.

Agree with Code, but disagree with powers, doppel is an extrapower  8)

Yes, it's usefull sometimes but it's only theory. Just turn on bloodthirst or use areaspells.

agreed with area spell but bloodthirst is fighting one by one and loosing time in this shape.it means it is useless against to mirrors as i see.

All other powers are very weak and are nothing compared to other clan's clan powers. Doppel + mirrors <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< chameleon.

upd It's prohibited to try to insult Immortals in direct or covert way.
Moreover, your problem was solved. wbr

chaos powers - mostly for rp.
amin.

consfuse+wildsourge - nonsense at hero rank

mirrors - spam attack 1. ignore any mirrors

doppel - dont protect from direct attacks smap attack 1., near all can area-bloodthirst attack you...
some fun in clanwars and only while fighting inner guard.

cloud - too random to be usefull in certain battle

chaos shield * 10 =spellbane

shapa.. here is another problem...
Noone of us dislike to be punished.. and all of us like to loot others, no doubt here.
Problem:
Lets induct to Entropy? You, me, vasq, west and some others guys you know...
What will happen then with Solace? Only entropy in PK and total crap.
At least its easy to show what will be.  ;)

look here ;D
http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1198.from1138097978;topicseen#msg5468
yea, all powers are very weak, but totally dominates :)))
Decide incide your clan.. who are you loosers or winners ???

As far as I remember you killed very well equipped Tower necromancer with the help of confusion.

You will attack the last mirror which will enter the room.

Doppelled you are with mirrors too. So see previous point.

Under bloodthirst you will attack mirrors too.

A few days ago Grissom Gorame Trundar and myself were fighting Chaos forces who had both doppeled, one Grissom and the other a young silver dragon.
LET ME TELL YOU HOW FRUSTRAITING IT WAS TO TRY AND PICK REAL TARGETS OUT OF MIRRORS AND THE REAL THING! If anyone thinks doppel and mirror are fake rp powers they're stupid or not using them properly. I was confused twice by wildsurge and i was covered in nice saves and resists items, gee my Fortitude save was up around 52 Will save was like 46. The whole fight was total chaos. If 4 35+ characters cannot manage to kill even 1 of 2 then Chaos has awsome powers.

mirrors - spam attack 1. ignore any mirrors

You will attack the last mirror which will enter the room.

FIXED?

it never worked, dunno why you're crying about "BUG" at least a lot of months

it worked, even immortal wrote about it - if i walk with mirrors and enters a room, i became 1. - so anyone can attack me with such thing - strangle 1. dirt 1. etc. it work if person with mirrors leader of group, it was - i got such attacks MANY TIMES...

Matthew i think you are not too expierenced player? You'll play more and easy ignore such situations as manys do.
I managed alone to sleep the whole solamnia and have 0 chances to sleep 2 heretics who wake each other correctly right after one of them got slept.

Hmm. I think you are wrong about it. I personally simply counted the mirrors and attacked you. And attack 1. was for a mirror.

To Rialon: maybe it was the moment when mirrors were casted right before in the same room - no movements e/w/s/d/u/n. Then its possible.

Maybe, maybe, can't remember for sure now. But i thought that the problem with mirrors used to be no lag after killing them. And never noticed, while fighting Entropy, that their mirrors are useless. Then again, it might have been because most fight were near the sentinel and they just came and cast mirrors right on the spot.

If you spam 'murder 1.', you'll attack a mirror, that's true and it was so during all the time I played and immed.

hmm, i wonder how people attack me directly with hordes of all mirrors only if i come to their room
seems hidden technic i dont know.

Probably the same way i do it. Scan them, count mirrors and hit the last one in the stack when i enter.

Better we have to buy wand of fireballs. :)

 I have an idea!! ;D
If everyone is pissed that they keep getting full looted all the time, then...
JUST STOP LOOTING!!! ;)
And another suggestion for those who watch battles and loot when someone dies...
That is very non-ethical... Doesn't matter if you are a thief or not... You should not do that... specially when it is about Clan wars! Then it is against the rules, I believe.
Treat others like you would like to be treated!  :P If you do not want to be looted, do not loot! I am positive that everyone who finds a body of a Heretic now-a-days will loot everything they have, even a silly frying pan  ;D , if they have one... Why? because they do the same thing... So, Heretics, If you wish not to be looted, do not loot. Same goes to everyone else in Solace. ;)

Utopia  :-\

No, nightmare :P

Hey guys!
1. Shappa I was pkilling with ya! You are great. The most cooler pkiller and teller the group what todo man! real fun!
2. All right porcepine and thief with displacemt + kender fighter vs 2 KOS and dragon was kinda easy. But I never ever can polymorph Jheth without spellbane, Thorgrim is tough and other guys. So dont whine Mathew that you were easily killed. Gather more saveses then.
3. No full loot no full loot - crap.
Look, 3 Takh memebers vs 3 Entropy members: 1 takh was killed. And I must return him all stuff, he wears it and became like he was before kill, just sleep few ticks. Nah, may be return him some later, but you cant run with looted stuff in battle you need to hide it somewhere and so on. So lets full loot, in clan wars at least.
4.Players: Arpade honourably dont take stuff back - nice guy.
Heretics are pathetic Jaslar Jheth poor wimpers who quits when they have no chances to survive. Die like a real man we will dont loot ya 3 on 1. (Just few things - hehe)
When I died many times (about 6 in 2 days) under throws crushes and under inqusitor, you looted and saced my things before my face last time. Wimpers. Loosers. Let me revenge Jhethhy :)
Towers - were nice battle really :).

Your an idiot, where am i whining? And i know how i died, it had nothing to do with how elite you think you are or my saves. Why are you even refering to me in your post.

Returning to topic.

If you want someone to RP - try to start from yourself.

Can you imagine minotaur paying attention to kender's talks about honour? Can you imagine kender whining to minotaur about his stuff? Can you imagine kender accusing minotaur that 'honour left the realms'?
Finally, can you imagine kender going SILENT by his own wish???

Kenders are hard to roleplay and you shouldn't take them only for 25 dex, but if you take one, try to play your role, which is not running around killing and looting everyone like a deathmachine. After you can say you roleplay a real kender, await roleplay from others. Not before.

respect to ares,true words

Utopia.... but not an ideal realm of Krynn. If i'm roleplaying a chaotic kender then there's no way in HELL I'm not going to loot some Hero-ranked corpse. Did you read about kenders? They value shiny things more than friendship in some cases, so it would actually be BAD ROLEPLAY not to loot. That holds true in a lot of other cases, but this was just to illlustrate a point.

There is nothing inherently wrong with looting. If we stop looting then we're ignoring a feature the immortals gave to us. Where it becomes wrong is when we undertake to roleplay a certain way and looting someone's corpse goes against what we stand for. I remember a solamnic knight full-looted me a long time ago, and I was really pissed because he was supposed to be about nobility and honor etc. and here he was peeling the clothes off my bloodstained body and prying rings off my fingers. If you think in terms of roleplay then it's easy not to do stupid things that ruin the realms.

That "treat others like you would like to be treated" comment is *strongbad voice* total crap! If that were true you wouldn't kill anyone, ever. Roleplay your character the way you and the solace helpfiles describe him, and expect consequences (like gaining enemies) if you want to full loot someone.

Ares, you are the first man who understood my position. I wanted to tell Yegemoth about me (mino) and him (kender) but couldn't because of "From now on, you won't hear tells." He can only throw mud at other people, turn "deaf" mode and left Realm after being raided.

Grabbing wildly at fallen enemy's possessions is certainly bad RP for a knight, but I doubt it is a perfect RP for kender as well. "Peeling the clothes off the bloodstained body and prying rings off the mangled fingers" - sounds very kender-ish!