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<672/1314hp 213/415mana 276/278mv 44251tnl | EW>
Erty gets the spiked crown of Dragonlords from the corpse of Butagavk.
Erty gets a wide belt with a titan buckle from the corpse of Butagavk.
Erty gets a steel wristguard from the corpse of Butagavk.
Erty gets a steel wristguard from the corpse of Butagavk.
Erty gets a sword named 'Troll-slayer' from the corpse of Butagavk.
Erty gets a metallic red longsword from the corpse of Butagavk.

<672/1314hp 213/415mana 276/278mv 44251tnl | EW>
Erty puts a steel wristguard in a leather backpack.
Erty puts a steel wristguard in a leather backpack.
Erty puts a buffalo water skin in a leather backpack.
Erty puts a raft in a leather backpack.



<959/1314hp 291/500mana 382/403mv 44251tnl | E>
Ajraah tells you, 'Mooo.'

<959/1314hp 291/500mana 382/403mv 44251tnl | E> where
Players near you:
(PK) Jheth      Before the clearing of Inquisition.
(PK) Erty       Before the clearing of Inquisition.

<959/1314hp 291/500mana 382/403mv 44251tnl | E> repl Moooh!
You tell Ajraah, 'Moooh!'

<959/1329hp 291/500mana 382/403mv 44251tnl | E> scan e

Ajraah tells you, 'Doont mooo et mi.'


RP sukanah :))))))))))))

Just out of curiousity, did Erty get hurt at all? He is a kender?

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A bristled porcupine attempts to blackjack Erty but misses.
Erty yells, 'Help! Meidot tried to blackjack me!'
A bristled porcupine's blackjack grazes Erty.
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How could Erty see that it was Meidot exactly? Something wierd.

being 33 rank outcast against heretics, without sanctuary - meat (death in 1-2 rounds)

All kenders are invulnerable! Even Tasselhoff died only under the foot of God's Father!  ;D

And all kenders can see their blackjackers!  ;)

Man I woulda tried out for heretics before w/my thief if I didn't read in a
helpfile somewhere that "kenders can't join clans".

Very surprising that you guys were able beat up some mages and an unclanned outcast under protection of guard when they can't use any spells on you, and your
physical fighting  characteristics far exceed that of anyone else.

Before you open up the "Logs" forum section it has a little sentence to guide you in what to post about:  Let people see your amazing fights and roleplay examples!

I saw the exact opposite of both of those here.

Kender in Herecy = roleplay is dead. RIP

bullsh*t.
I saw kender in Herecy whe I just started to play Solace. That was REALY long time ago.
all depends on your RP.
PS: Kenders in Solamnia do not confuse you?

If Erty can RP a heretic well i retract my statement. Swashbuckler perhaps? still seems iffy. . .

Kenders don't feel hatred..they don't feel hatred because they don't have a care in the world...

Things in solace don't make sense according to roleplay we've already established that.

Lets quit the bitchin about other people and their roleplay however sucky and unjust it is. We can't control them nor does the bitching help do anything about it.

Less time worrying about who sucks at roleplay and more about your own characters...make them better, make your roleplay worthy of notice.

If anyone wants to know how to roleplay or what might be some guidelines to roleplay read a Dragonlance book...not only do they kick ass but they will show you how to act in the game.

Umm I was arguing more on the grounds that logs like this shouldn't be posted here. It was just a boring slaughter of some ballsy mages and an unfortunate outcast-- oh and some heretics moo-ing.

Totally not what is described on the forum title.

Blackjack attept fails 8 times (4 on Jheth and 4 on Erty). Something wierd. And lemme whine a bit: Heretics are overpower ! - death in 2 rounds for alter under sanc and for outcast without sanc. Only Meidot with displacement + sanc can survive. And their outrage break down harden skin and other spells. I wonder that i've never been sanctuary break down yet (I am lucky).
Reduce thier outrage - you see soon only heretics will be at realms, only entropy still tries to fight them (and Tower a bit) - poor Yonaki - reraids 1 vs 3 of them and died 2 times.

THANK YOU!!!! It goes back to kender knight. Same as kender in herecy. You can rp Kender, or Knight, not both. You can rp kender, or heretic, not both. It just doesn't work. If you rp both, then you are back and forth, you cannot blend the two.

Ah! Uh! Oh! Heretics overpower! Poor world! Nobody saves!

Fools, gather A BIT saves and you will protect yourself from autrage's strip spell. If you haven't saves - everyone can slay such fool. Meidot has brains - he know how to fight like other expitienced players and he kicks heretic's asses. He prepares himself, he choosed right feats, etc. Ihtichil only knows 'shapeshift bull;revert;shapeshift porcupine', that's a result. Almost NOBODY uses preparations fighting with Heretics - and whines. Weaklings. Though now Heretics should lose their battles because they can't use any preparations. My previous fighter ONLY with harden skin kicked their asses. If he used sanctuary - he was almost invulnerable. So learn to play before whines.

As for kenders.
I think they could be unique in every clan. If they have proper roleplay. Sure no one immortal clan leader doesn't induct them into clan (except Entropy), but if mortal leader watches at their roleplay and thinks it's a proper - he can induct them. Grissom was impressed with Keeno's RP - and induct him. Urimarr was the same. If you can't see reasons of kender's existance in clan - it doesn't mean there is no proper reason. And both kenders act like kenders. Keeno doesn't slay any evil he can see, Erty doesn't slay any magic-user he can see. So learn to roleplay before whines.

Wbr.  ;D

This is why no one on this thread that supports kenders being in clans is right:

[log]

What is your race (type 'help' for more information) ? help kender
Kender are more or less about 8 - 12 year old kids with an adult's
intelligence. Kender are always happy and care free. Should one be found
otherwise, you can bet a devastating tragedy was the cause.

        Curious:          They are curious about everything.
        Fearlessness:     They fear nothing not even death.
        Irrepressibility: Nothing other than death can stop a Kender.
        Independent:      A Kender will not take orders, only suggestions.*
        Compassion:       A Kender has strong emotions for friends and
                          family.
        Lazy:             A Kender has no concept about time schedules.
        Taunt:            Due to their curious nature Kender usually have
                          shocking insight on other people. This gives
                          them the ability to cast damaging insults.
        Handling:         Kender do not know the meaning of ownership. If
                          they see something they need or like they simply
                          take it. This is not done for gain they simply
                          forget they have due to their short attention 
                          spans. They are not thieves.

All Kender gain the abilities to carve a hoopak, whirl and thrust the
What is your race (type 'help' for more information) ? [Hit Return to continue]

hoopak, taunt others, and steal. Kender make exceptional thieves.

* This means that no kender may join a clan.
[/log]

If you have discrepancies with this... you are wrong. If you wish to debate the topic, it's hopeless because you are wrong. 

A race that acts like 8-12 year old kids upholding the standards of a knight-- *dies laughing*. Always happy and carefree: yup that has HERETIC written all over it.

And in case you morons couldn't take a hint, the immortals made this nice little statement in there: * This means that no kender may join a clan.

I'm sorry but there is no way to interpret that differently.

Case closed.

Certainly, I understand nothing with current heretics

Erty sacrifices the corpse of Ihtichitl to the gods.

Damn, why they sacrifice corpses to Gods and still may not use their empowers?! It's damn unfair! They've pre-paid them! :)

You aren't understanding. I have not seen one example of how someone is blending the two roleplay positions. Not in logs or just plain words. You can't be free spirited kender and be part of a well trained army, be it herecy or solamnia. How does that work at all!? Erty cannot be friendly fun loving kender, but mage hater and kill at same time. Keeno cannot be free spirited irrepressable kender, and highly trained and obedient soldier at same time. If they do one, then do the other later when it suits them, they are just switching rp positions and thats horrible. Can anybody provide a log of a blend? Or give an example?

Niano, you're pressing on this topic for about two monthes.. Have some kender stumped on your toe? Take it easy  :)

Example? Easy.

For example Erty, like all kenders, likes shines.

When shinies does something uncommon things - Erty is in extase.

Shinies with special abilities could be of two types - magic and non-magic.

Heretics allow its members to make uncommon things with it's weapon.

Erty likes these tricks.

Also this kender doesn't like so much cause own troubles (even Tasselhoff didn't like magic undeads, deadfull magic of Raistlin, etc.)

So he prefers to look at non-magic tricks, than magic.

Heretics allow him to do it.

Does it his troubles Tower and others attacked him first?

Does it his troubles Urimarr recruited just curious kender who seeked interesting abilities?

I can bring you examples Keeno is riloplaying curious kender much more than Solamnic too.

And he is roleplaying very well, and Erty is trying to do it well too.

And I repeat, if you can't see their roleplay - it doesn't mean there is no it.

Heh. Got nothing against kenders personally. I like em. Its just come on. Kender in solamnia= flags and alarms for me. Kenders not highly trained soldier devoted to cause of good and erradication of all evil and darkness, which is main goal of solamnia. And kenders do not hate. Kenders are not cold blooded killers. Kender are amused and entertained by magic, not want to destroy it all. Kenders do not belong in herecy either for those reasons. I'm just saying you cannot play kender heretic or kender solamnic. Its either kender OR solamnic. or Kender OR heretic. Impossible to blend the two. Yes i've been around keeno lots, yes i've been around erty some. Erty is a heretic, keeno is a kender. Erty is not a kender, keeno is not a solamnic. Things so outrageously out of rp kinda irritate me.

Whole point of herecy is to destroy magi and priests. If erty does not try to do that, he is not a heretic soldier. And you don't seem to get it. Keeno may rp a kender and solamnic very well, but at separate times. Show me an example of when she rp's both at once.

Well, I admit there is some point in Niano's words, kenders belonging to major clans are too hard to role-play and no one truly succeeded yet.

You role-play a happy blabbing thing, but when the time comes to hack and slash, raid and reraid, you do it forgetting about your role as long as you are clanned. Breaking clan rules means uninduction; however, following all clan rules and becoming too orderly means breaking RP of kenders, to some extent. And it seems that this contradiction is driving people to distraction sometimes.

Thank you. So next question. Is anything going to be done about it?

Let you be a teacher.

In institute you are serious, strict, don't touch coll girls, etc.

After hard work you go to somem party. You drink beer, vodka, smoke plan, f*ck girls, etc.

And you are the same man.

And the same situation in clans. You do what you want in free time, but when you are attacked - you answer. When you are raided - you reraid to return abilities (for example in case of Erty). And so on. So you both kender and solamnic/heretic.

What's wrong?  ;D

Whats wrong? I am human. Not kender. Point proven.

Should this mean that fighter with harden skin should kick ass of fighter with outrage+spellbane/resist? *impressed*
Btw, it is a bit harder to get sanc now.

Imms? Anything to say before you kick kenders outta warders,heretics,solamnia, guardians, and takhisis? ;D ;D

TOWER TOO!!! god forbid i leave that out. Who knows what we'll have on our hands. ???

After we finish the alpha version of New Laws & Rules, I think we shall create a corresponding topic on the forum - all suggestions would be considered and the most reasonable would be added. Just wait a bit.

Even a kender in entropy seems wrong to me. They are too dedicated and they also have an evil god for a patron.

So when you think about it there really needs to be several more clans, and more racial seperation. The instances where races really cooperated radicaly were very rare occasions in the world of krynn. For instance 90% of elves would not spit on a human if he were on fire,  and a kender would only hang around till he was bored or dead. Silvanesti elves view qualinesti elves with disdain, and half elves are despised by all elves as well as human's.

Its been a long time since i read the older dragonlance novels and i only started reading the newer ones recently so correct me if im wrong but i dont think my memory is far off.

Well, this is why it sais, that Solace is only based on dragonlance. So the only valid things here are the ones in the help files of the game itself, not the ones in books(which are simply guidelines). The help files state that it is alright for different races to cooperate in a clan just on the besis of their common alignment. And it is also clearly stated, that kenders can never be in a clan. Then again, i suppose, some exceptions can be made in all cases. Also, we have to remember, that a single character in a book does not set the roleplay for his whole race. I mean, looking at Tanis, who could ever think, that half-elves can be of evil alignment. And looking at Dalamar, everyone may think that all dark elves are not that bad. Actually, i'm not even sure that there is such a race as dark-elves in Dragonlance. Whereas we have it in the game. More suitble would be elves of evil alignment, but of the same race as the normal elves.

And one more thing, to proove a point about the difference of books and game rules. In the books there such things as dwarf-thief and kender-priest of Morgion. And in the game it is restricted.

I had a thought after my post as well, the idea of a kender attacking another kender is pretty rediculous. The only instance i can come up with are the 'corrupted kender' but they happen much later in the series than solace seems to be set?

But yeah what you say is true which leads me to another question i came up with after i wrote my post.
What point is this conversation! My cleric is dwarven, its in solamnia, and its a cleric of mishkal. Anymore contradictions and there would be nothing left of me!

all these preparations...

heretics got their powers for free - without wasting time on preparation. may be allow clan-power wildsourge work against clan-power spellbane?

dehucka... when you'll stop all this whinig??? its annoing damn!  >:(

Lets make a deal.. You'll roll heretic character, and I'll make anyone class which you'll say to me in any cabal  and then I'll show you what is preparations against Herecy? Deal?  >:(  >:(  >:(


*spits*

Just remember remember remember-

When you don't have powers, you can still take harden skins, sancs, invisibility, hastes, calm minds, summer winter fires, displacements, blinks, and so on and on...

When a heretic is without powers, he can't use anything at all! No other Clan is so weak without its powers with such tight restrictions. Clans is about stealing powers and reraiding, and I am afraid there is no class that can be weaker than a heretic without powers reraiding. To a wise man, I mean. No matter how cunning the heretic is, they still can only use their skill list, nothing more at all.

indeed.

agree absolutely

Actually heretics without powers just quit and don't login when they are powerless and there is someone to stop them from reraid. So it's not an argument.

Heretics is a primal target of Tower. That's who should deal thim them firstly.
To Dehuchka:say to unreal to roll cleric of Mishakal.  ;D

to unreal - look, i am testing now outcast knight, never played such class, so it s not mine main character, i need to gather all experience in battles i can... and test all things outcast have.

so i dont use preparations now, and better die one more time then spend hours to gather all possible preparations...

and if you have nt OOC friends it s very hard to gather haste when you need it...

and spend some hours to get all possible preparations and then come to heretics - they just will stay at inquizitor if they cant overdamage someone... simple... so i can just reraid... nothing more - preparations just allow person to survive, not to kill anyone who dont want it...

preparations except haste (which are depend on another persons are on-line) dont give damage power - but heretics have EXTREMAL damage power - annihilates while sanced...

once i v used preparations against Amarand - i had ALL possible defencive preparations sanc harden wraith form resistes a lots - and i got annihilates with pugil, while cant touch even with mauls Amarand - so let s deal i will make fighter staf-spec in heretics - you do anyone not thief and not fighter - and we will see.

of course if you will use someone as Kamilla with you all the time - you may even deal with heretics.

This is an action for Immortals to monitor, not an arguement for reducing/changing powers. Heretics who I see log off without powers etc. will be uninducted, simple

zachot  ;D

If he rolls this cleric, you'll whine that mace swing is overpower :)

yes, yes, not mishakal with healing medalion etc :-) I'll advice Takhisis priest :-) maybe somebody advice me tactics against heretics? Cause I've died with 2 round at inner guard last time to two herectics, though had no harden and haste, but do haste help to parry and shieldblock? The problem was also in damage type(Wrath)... I could feel more convinient with Clan powers that raise resist holy greatly.

ask immortals  :)
let them explain to you why they removed resist energy from phantasmal armor.. I see no reason.

As I said I was powerless. heretics had my sorce.
So if phantasmal armor could raise my resist, still I cannot use this benephit.

I am gladly waiting for advices how Takhisis priest should fight those bastards :-)

Takhisis priest have no chance to fight those bastards and will have not. His role do not include to fight such enemies. You are doctor, evil, but still doctor. So, try to steal some secrets from another doctor, guess whom?  ;D

Seems, due to the situation in Takh clan. I am Sancho Panso, personal healer of DonKiHot (not sure about English spelling) Arpade. :-)

I got tired of fighting with Heretics with my transmutter Ihtichitl. So he get deleted. No any tactics at all - bull dying at 2 rounds, in natural form dying at 2 rounds, at porcepine - nothing interesting, anyway dying. No any fun, only some with Medots blackjack.
Special thanks to Shappa.
Meet in the Realms.

It was cool to fight and travel with ya. Seems you'r new to this mud but you learn fast.

Watch out for windmills :D.

to Shappa
novann not new to this mud,
he played years before, just he did nt practice solace-playing for sometime

*sighs* Ihtichitl deleted.. he promiced to teach me something...*growls*

Come on, let's play with kender child, Aunt Kamilla, teach this kid something!  ;D

Dear Erty, dont be rude, it doesnt suit you. Call her - Lady *winks*