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I don't get it... What was the point in attacking them? They are all half naked. Anyhow, I think that imms can see that they have made thieves a bit too powerful.
Nevertheless, your skill is not in question here.
Btw, winged helm also prevents blindness? Or is it some other item?

well... Deda guess is right.. Anyway its was unpleasant surprise that my fighter in full offence under adrenalin rush with hitrolls close to 100, 2nd - 4th attack / dual wield  at 100%, sword spec cant pass through parry/dodge/displacement.. Event when there were 3 players + donkey - almost no defence passing with weapon based attackes, except spells/ specs.

Then tell me how can fighter deal with it? :-\ :-\ :-\

Yes, thieves prepared are powerful- this attack cost:

2000 gold in 2 potions
800-900 gold to get winged helm
6 hours memorising...

more gold on swirlings, vials, return potions, and so on


As for reason- I wanted to try three onto one -shrugs-

Without all these preps, simple overheads from minotaur can obliterate me, meteor swarms 3 demolishes, and so

3000 gold for one battle?? :(

But with such preparations, everyone is powerful

EDIT-

Maybe Lyeine can post some logs? I am sure she has many battles

Damn, i have already wrote that and it took mi 15 minutes but my ie crashed. Cheers for Bill and MS for being loyal to themselves by making so unstable things... but...
1. For pk mud it is natural to expect that others want your blood.
2. Thieves are not overpowered... She is probably +20, skills mastered, tons of haste and shimm potions, good eq, good feats... so thats it.
3. Three man  half naked still should have some chances against one, so she took some risk after all.
4.  After all, druid with humble eq can break three man in forest... element of surprise, strong spells... so one winning against three is not overpower by default.
5. This is a bit offtopic... I want to Isinda to know that all three times she killed me i had 20 seconds lag, otherwise i would flee or go porcupine and fled.
6. Who called her 'merchant'? Just 'robber' would be more true... or 'gold addicted' sound even better...
7. This is offtopic too... i am confused a bit with lyeine title too... it would be better 'angel of destruction'. 'Destroying angel' can make somene think that she is in process of destroying herself. I hope you couild understand this since i am not sure i have said what i wanted... simple -ing words can have other meaning...
7. Fighter is not supposed to win against any class...

Her role is clear to me... she is bone collector... you can imagine what is in hellish cart that follows her... at least 50 skeletons of other players... lets kill cart and destroy her plans!

i was talking not about damage upon her, its clear and makes sense, but about that fighter was unable to bypass parry/dodge/displacement....

+20 makes no sense, fighter is +18 (or 19, dont remember exactly  :P)

I dont see any displacement potions laying around.

Yeah, sure... nobody claims about this. But its no the core of situation!

Something makes me think that it was scribed by Iyel...

I agree it is hard to hit her...but it is normal for thieves... they should be kings of dodgeing... I was fighting her with my fighter who has all weapons mastered, weaponmastery and 120/110 hr/dr and it was still one hit per round... maybe it is because she has big ac, uncanny dodge, her dex vs. your dex, preparations...
Some other playeres tried to play thieves but they all sucked. After all it is refreshment to see that this class can be fine, it looked like everybody gave up from thieves...
what is making me astoned is how much resistance she has to fire and other  weapons... looks a lot ... that was surprise for me.

two transmuters can kill her if she wouldnt flee...
by the way, compared to lyeine, fighting with isinda looks like eating icecream...
i feel uncomfortable when fighting lyeine.... i cant decide is it because of 10 pets or sleep/dispel combo...

Its her tattoo from prince... woops, i shouldnt say that? ;)

I would rather fight Lyneine, her mummies do not mutilate through sanc and she can be hit.
Are people going to say beast assassin should not be able to kill anyone too? I hit Isinda once total in a little fight we had and with blinding speed, 72 dam roll and find vun and iron strike i maimed. Sorry but i find the idea of invincible thieves totally laughable. Yeah thief should be able to dodge, thief skills should allow him to run quck and hide when caught stealing. Not stand and fight warriors, assassins or mages.

Ofcourse it was scribed by someone, i meant no potions laying around for others to 'be that powerful' Thief at the moment is like dual wielding abjurer with Dual backstab restrike bleed and undercut. Next they can have imposing hand.

Yeap, unbelievable resistance to holy/fire/acid/cold

Agree absolutely... due to their origin thieves CANT simply STAND and TANK vs fighter of the same rank with mastered skills... flee, bjack, bstab, knife, fle, knife, bleed,fle, fle, etc.... it is.... not tanking... no matter of preparations and feats..

BTw, my resistance vs negative/poison was 20% + sanct.

Hmm, dragon strength, snake speed, haste, displacement,  sanc, harden skin, uncanny dodge, deathblow and almost no preps from the three opponents. What did you expect? I fought Isinda and lost, but is was a close fight. Had no protection evil on (Isinda is evil, right?) and ran out of harden skin in the end of fight, plus all money stolen, so Isinda could heal and i could not. Lower resist, sheet lightning, mount, all same preps and an invoker can be a match. All with the same preps and good eq could put up a fight actually. Theives are fine imho.

Does any of you remember Keonar? I remember when Graul, the Fist of Heretics, fought nearly naked Keonar, and couldn't HIT him, but insetad got disarmed etc... Of course it was before the warpaint was implemented. I think that the only ones that can harm Isinda at this point are heretic fighters which currently are non-existent... So, just be careful... Also, that blast of darkness hurts way too mauch even thru sanc, and I bet their resists against negative are not that bad...

Hm, Rialon, again, i say nothing about her damage through sanc or my damage upon her... no... im saying that i almost cant even catch here! The growl from my side is not about damage, but about all attacks didnt find the target at all. Dragon strength, sanc, harden skin, deathblow, snake speed - these features play nothing for here dodge/parry. Haste.. i was under adrenalin as well... only displacement  and uncanny dodge... well.. i think its not enough to have so cute defence from all warriors attacks...

Dragon strength...? What's that?

She stood against my assassin, which is not naked. Hence i stated warriors, assassins or mages. Yeah maybe your warrior is naked but there were 3 of you, even the strongest heretics have died to 3 opponents, atleast i have not seen one survive.

prolly tattoo thing again?
well, perhaps good tactics is to take whip and strip her? not clothes, dagger!
mages can try heat metal as well... tattoo saves from windwall too?
as Rialon said protect evil orb is nice thing.
soften definitelly would help since it lowers ac... find some transmuter! slow to make her spend haste potions!

Dragon strength does not contribute to parry? Snake speed to dodge? Are you sure? The answer to the question is they do. Though i am not sure they were in use here. Haste is better, then adrenalin. Hih dex, dodge, uncanny dodge, parry, displacement, theif manual with additional block, if i am not mistaken- i would say yes, that does make a person almost impossible to hit. And it is supposed to be so with thief, but they are not supposed to do damage, only backstab, knife. And here we see, that the thief was just tearing you with hand damage (that is why i think dragon strength was present, for the strike are those of minotaur strength).

People, make alter with armadillo, take gargoyle feat and you can tank chemosh himself.

Heh, strip.... nice... dont  forget about "triggers" for get dag/gerwear dagger :) and no dirt kick is possible -) (Btw, thanks Isinda, now i know that isa useless to spent time for this and getting 2 rounds lag  :P)

What is dragon strength and snake speed? A tattoo things or something completely new? This whole thing smells like Hiddy is playing again...

Nay, dragon strength is a potion, hard to discover and very expencive, but with great effect, i think that can be said about it.
Seems tattoo helps against blindness in general. So, a person has to pick up a stripped weapon before the thief does.
There were two invokers present, but appearantly with no lower reisist, or i missed its usage. Lower earth resist and meteor to hold, while the warrior takes blows in full def with staff and overheads. Or crushing hand from both mages. Or lower fire/lightning and sheet/EFB (but need spellbooks of course) first and crushing hand to hold later.
Thief's spells do not last long as they were suxxed not long ago, so just need to outlast his defences. Also, most of the time Stranix was without sanc i think, at least in one part of the battle (to lazy to check the whole log).

They've had lower frost, but small use from it.
Dragon str is potion then... That is why i think that imms should not take part in chars who are agressive pkillers... it is obvious that they can use their imm privileges to collect ooc information about mud... for example this potion... they can take code and in any editor use 'find' to get location of that potion... same thing with autocasting items...using that informations for agressive pk is a bit unfair. But ... if it is possible to see corruption in games like wow and the rest of mmorpg world, why little tiny mud would be an exception.

Erm, i am not an immortal and i know where to get the potion and most of the auto-casting eq, i do not see how an imm char is greatly different in this matter. Maybe only he does not have to explore to find it, but players can explore and find everything after a while too.

Haha, why not to find several heretics or somebody else?? all this to kill one pour thiefe *sniff* :'(

I did not wish to cause such debate  ???

I had one season solamnic assassin, who could stand against Keonar and python throw him almost to death with barely any harm coming to assassin.

Also, rialon did very nice damage against me with invoker, just his sanc fell before mine :)

I do not have python style, i used mainly wyvern against you, tiger was not really working and no kick routines, but still in wyvern 0 weapon turns and kicks sucking. I ended up bleeding to death too.

ah, beast assassins are not so good for thief-killing

If you find mockingbird style, try that + shadowbane tactic!

You're wrong. White warpaint doesn't help too much :) Guys, you're talking about thief of really skilled player (*highfive* Isinda. I liked to fight with you but I had no chances :)). Also don't forget about his clothes, tatoo, preparations and feats. Try to make your own thief-char and rule them all :)

Greetings , if its Urimarr the old warlord of herecy- I tried to kill you some times past with manticore-formed mage...

You killed me each time without using any commands, not crush, dirt, anything :)

Yes, it's me :) Nice to hear that I killed you :) But a lot of time has passed since I played Urimarr on actions: logged in, turned hunt-n-kill actions on, went to make some coffee, returned back and saw 5 ears in my belt :) Just kidding and dreaming :) Hope to meet you again... after 1-2 years maybe :) Be well, Blackley.

of Takhisis?
I know some manticores from Takhisis that time... at least two...
one of them migrated to doe... actually both prefer doe ...
hey, if sirri would multiplay with 10 chars in same time in doe, to make it populated and interesting, i will try to play it :P
Anyway i am going to play doe because i feel sorry for sirri, there is only 0-1 player there. I dont want him to be sad. Solace will survive without me, solace has 5-6 players online, it is much much more... I will help to sirri before he makes 10 multiplay chars and starts to roleplay communicating with each other of his chars... i will save him before it is too late :).
Of course, i am just kidding, dont get upset...
woops, i forgot woland is owner of this forum... excuse me then, i have to prepare my ass in case it got kicked from forum :p.
By the way, sirri, why do you like to play with draconians so much?

yep, who would say it is already two years from then... actually it is year and a half, to be correct.
strange, like i died from him yesterday, not two years ago, thahs how well i remember that...who could forget it, it is not every day that you get killed with three shots...
And still one word is floating above my head....revenge   :)

inkognito, may I ask you to stay here, because in other case you have to feel sorry for me (we both know who we are, right?)

Nierth, dont you understand, this is question of life and death! I am deeply concerned for Sirri, he could break because of lack of doe players and do anything... perhaps the worst thing... suicide...we must help him...I am already multiplaying with 4 chars, 25 hours per day. I dont want to carry him on my conscience if somthing happens. :P

ps hehe
 

I'm afraid your computer doesn't have resources for enough JMCs to make me happy (finals >:().