Title: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 08, 2008, 09:27:20 pm Is the chromatic set not supposed to work in forms?
I thought it would work because when you wear it you gain an aura, and I thought it would be the aura that does the autocasting. But it seems it is not like this. Just wanted to check if it is bug or not. :'( Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 08, 2008, 09:49:08 pm - I wasnt sure when the topic was brought up. Just know when in form..you are using nothing. But aura makes it an interesting point. Do any autocasts or spell infused gear still work in form? Strange bracers, tiara ..etc?
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 08, 2008, 09:50:31 pm Tiara I am quite sure does work, because it is the blue auras effect that counts, and the aura continues on you when you form.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 08, 2008, 09:56:58 pm - if so then strong case for "it should work"..due to aura connection.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 08, 2008, 10:04:42 pm Erm, the history of chromatic set, part I: it USED to work in form and it got changed cuz was too powerful. Get over it, eh? You got your manticore and that should be enough.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 08, 2008, 11:08:50 pm Get over it, eh? You got your manticore and that should be enough. How about not spoiling the surprise? ;D Besides... chromatic may be considered great in some situations... but alterers have great disadvantages on the other side. Example: physical damage. You see how you guys of Herecy can raid tower, while I am defending, easily. I have trouble raiding Herecy even when no one is defending. It is very very hard due to the physical resistances everyone seems to have nowadays. Don´t get me wrong, I am not saying alterers are weak. They are very strong. Polymorph other practically gives any alterer a victory once it hits... sometimes even if you transform him into a tiger... Well, back to topic now: All I am saying is that I thought powers would continue to work in form since they are provienent of the aura that you gaiun once you wear all the chromatic. IDEA: Maybe they could work, only on a lessened degree? Its kind of unfair that so many can use special items, and that those simply have no use for an alteration transmuter. And don't blame anything on manual deda... it was hard to find, and others can find manuals just as well... Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 09, 2008, 12:09:57 pm does work, because it is the blue auras effect that counts ;D In form, only item stats will work. Tiara has innate manaregen that's why it still works in form no autocasts will work while shapeshifted Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 09, 2008, 08:11:30 pm - so if tiara works...then insignias and hide works in form too?
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 09, 2008, 08:43:08 pm Yep!
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 09, 2008, 08:57:27 pm does work, because it is the blue auras effect that counts ;D In form, only item stats will work. Tiara has innate manaregen that's why it still works in form no autocasts will work while shapeshifted But I am very sure that its ability to block high damage when sanced also works. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 09, 2008, 11:45:07 pm - the tiara has this ability?
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 10, 2008, 12:23:36 am Yeah, it reduces unspeaks only... And does not work with sanc
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 10, 2008, 01:40:46 am Tiara reduces very high damage taken for some amount
it actually works for every damage beyound devastates if i'm correct //though code was changed million of times Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 10, 2008, 02:49:47 am ***DEVASTATES***?
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 10, 2008, 03:09:54 am - does it give a message when it triggers? odd only works without sanctuary...and item is sought mostly for its mana regen...never really seen anyone wear it that wasnt sanc'd.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 10, 2008, 03:39:27 am It's good only for chislev clerics, i guess...
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 10, 2008, 04:57:18 am - good point...I was thinking a seasonal assassin might like it too.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 10, 2008, 06:13:26 am That is not true... any cleric with sanctuary may benefit from it more then a Chislev cleric or assassin... mana regen is nice, but consider this. I don't know how much mana a healing spell costs surely it is less then what you heal in damage.
and both mana shield and fortitude of spring, you lose may more mana for each point of damage. The only advantage it has over healing is that it doesn't lag you. More life isn't the only use of mana. ;D So good aligned clerics all benefit greatly from the Tiara, more even then the season and cleric of Chislev, since these two don't have sanctuary. Don't forget the importance of mana for mages, thus transmuters may benefit nicely from the tiara, and invokers with orbs also, especially when against a Heretic, since some of their damage overness will be cut off due to the tiara's blue aura. Depending of the opponent, tiara with sanc will always come in handy. ;D Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 10, 2008, 01:34:57 pm This code subtracts 40% of damage taken beyond 125 (***DEMOLISH***) for specified damtype
i.e. Evil IRC gopnik strikes you for 425 damage (eradicate~unspeakable) 1. 425 - 125 = 300 2. (300*6)/10 = 180 3. 180 + 125 = 305 Resulting in total damage of 305(annihilate) So, as can be seen, it's affect is best inspected for large amounts of damage but it does work for all damage stronger then demolishes uff, weird math Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Matthew on March 10, 2008, 03:01:55 pm Tested this Tiara some time ago with ambushes. No difference wearing or not, with or without sanc...
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 10, 2008, 03:12:29 pm It does work with acid blasts. (well used to, about an year ago)
Maybe it was rewritten to work with spells only Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 10, 2008, 07:36:44 pm - I dont even know how someone in game would even suspect this is occurring. Kudos to someone who would notice they were getting annhilated instead of unspeakable...unless the tiara glows when this happens or something.
- 2argonar , I agree that the mana regen is good for other classes. I was just speaking about the sanc restriction working for a seasonal in an interesting way. With health regen gear and the tiara mana regen a seasonal would have a great recovery time. A good aligned cleric who is doing nothing but healing in a fight...better have auto-casts or he is losing. 2 b sanc'd is better then not obviously but sometimes these classes (seasonal, or chislev) dont always have the means and this item makes an interesting use for them. Good aligned cleric is missing out on the over damage protection. So useful for them..but not best. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 10, 2008, 08:03:54 pm Judging from this code there's no sanc restriction.
I don't even know why someone decided that there's such. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 10, 2008, 09:57:10 pm Well, you can't do 425 damage against someone who's sanced... So tiara won't trigger.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 11, 2008, 12:07:00 am - more or less what I was thinking... if you get unspeakable'd through sanc no tiara is going to save you..just delete ;)
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 11, 2008, 02:45:18 am Well, you can't do 425 damage against someone who's sanced lol :) read my post about calculations again p.s. btw there are both mobs and players(uh.. there was players) who can inflict such damage through sanctuary _with spells_ (not taking skills) Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 11, 2008, 05:15:27 am - well..I know some mob gas breath that was close **wince**
- Hmm player? I bet a minotaur heretic fighter with necrophysiology and all the trimmings cleaving a sanc'd lich would be some nice damage. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 11, 2008, 05:28:13 am Or heretic assassin trying to assassinate and determination triggering.
Someone slips from the shadows and hurls a knife towards your throat. Your throat is slashed but the knife misses your jugular vein! Someone's eyes burn with cold fury! Gorhay steps out of the shadows. Gorhay's assassination attempt does UNSPEAKABLE THINGS to you! That really did HURT! Yes, I had shroud on! From rionne's log. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 11, 2008, 06:39:06 am Well... since topic was moved to idea's, perhaps we could return to the subject. ;D ;D
The idea I had given before, and it seems no one commented, was that since the powers are provienent from the aura of the armor, maybe it should continue working while on form. Since deda says this is too overness, then make it keep working on a lessened degree, in a way that it won't be totally useless for alteration mages. And again: don't blame anything on manual. :P Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: unreal on March 11, 2008, 10:40:30 am Are you deaf?
Chromatic was working in form some time ago and was changed because of overpower. Nobody needs porcupine/armadillo in chrom.. also nobody needs abjurer in turtle in chrom. No need to complain just because you got this set. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 11, 2008, 04:29:51 pm ;D
I got this set because I thought it would work (thought you might have guessed that) When it didn't I was surprised. And others as well. I saw many people that thought it would have worked, and I assure you, none of them were noobs. besides, lessened degree means nothing to you? I suppose it would be less over then a abjurer spamming hold person, since you can still flee. And deaf I could or could not be... what you should be askin me is if I am blind. ;D ;D Well... I won't insist on this. It was just something I thought worth saying. Sorry if I pissed you off. :P Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 11, 2008, 08:43:10 pm Check out the old logs archive... Maybe you'll find some examples of chromatic working on alterners...
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 11, 2008, 09:01:03 pm - OFFTOPIC - need neutral "only" uber gear, not gear that a neutral can also wear but strictly neutral gear would be nice. Neutrals just get other alignments leftovers. Dont say the giant castle gear either please...thats just nice to look at.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 12, 2008, 03:04:38 am Check out the old logs archive... Maybe you'll find some examples of chromatic working on alterners... Looking for one... cannot find, perhaps you can indicate me one? Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: ezus on March 12, 2008, 11:48:07 am Ndaaa...
Interesting thing... noone complain about chromatic till (sorry ;D) non-russian player got it... About neutrals... if some ubergear for em.. so make the spell (and potions and so on) 'protection neutral'... bwahaha... this is idiocy... Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Hiddukel on March 12, 2008, 12:01:37 pm Exactly. Neutrals already have a large advantage in not being protected against, and a small advantage in growing, grouping etc.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Quino on March 12, 2008, 12:17:24 pm And what about autocasts in form? :)
Once non-russian player got it... ...they started to demand them to work in form! Funny :)Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: unreal on March 12, 2008, 05:00:50 pm Actually not surprized at all..
chromatic in form.. and special ubergears for neutrals (which even now can wear both of autohealing types leaf/bracelet) etc.. ::) :o :-\ Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: omledufromage on March 12, 2008, 07:20:43 pm Alright alright... clearly a mistake to even begin this topic... :P
Just a comment: characters I remember with chromatic were abjurers, or outcasts. They do not form (as primary function at least)... so what I ask here I think is fair and has nothing to do with little Ezus using a chromatic with his 'hold person' spamming little abjurer. ;) And it is not a demand, I think I left it quite clear that I wished to discuss it as a possibility... ...thanks for the disrespect. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Nierth on March 13, 2008, 12:53:37 pm Sometimes I think we need two boards, for russian and nonrussian players, with restricted entry for each of them.
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: gejlord1 on March 13, 2008, 01:58:05 pm Sometimes I think we need two boards, for russian and nonrussian players, with restricted entry for each of them. Splendid idea! ;) Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Nierth on March 13, 2008, 04:26:00 pm you like my idea, Mav? I'm shocked! :P
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Kage on March 13, 2008, 06:09:43 pm - Yes two boards but different label...... 'prejudice and salty' board and 'Everyone else' board. The guy asked a question about a piece of equipment that used to work in forms...a russian player said should work. No need to crucify him over it. I asked if there was some neutral only gear...didnt mean a neutral set of chromatics or elysium armor set...maybe just a mood ring or something ;D Someone makes a suggestion and there always assaulted with some garbage. Just give your opinion...whats so hard about that? Favre retired..Im a little testy
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: gejlord1 on March 13, 2008, 07:50:34 pm you like my idea, Mav? I'm shocked! :P Sometimes i do sometimes i do not :-\ Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 13, 2008, 09:42:54 pm Quote Sometimes i do sometimes i do not :-\ That sounds so familiar, so... womanish :P:P Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Valeria on March 13, 2008, 11:36:40 pm Sometimes I think we need two boards, for russian and nonrussian players, with restricted entry for each of them. Splendid idea! ;) Why stop at just the boards? We have plenty of players. Why not two muds too? Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: gejlord1 on March 14, 2008, 01:02:28 am Quote Sometimes i do sometimes i do not :-\ That sounds so familiar, so... womanish :P:P oh please umukni :P Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Nierth on March 14, 2008, 12:00:18 pm Sometimes I think we need two boards, for russian and nonrussian players, with restricted entry for each of them. Splendid idea! ;) Why stop at just the boards? We have plenty of players. Why not two muds too? no place for the sarcasm please Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Nierth on March 14, 2008, 12:02:00 pm - Yes two boards but different label...... 'prejudice and salty' board and 'Everyone else' board. The guy asked a question about a piece of equipment that used to work in forms...a russian player said should work. No need to crucify him over it. I asked if there was some neutral only gear...didnt mean a neutral set of chromatics or elysium armor set...maybe just a mood ring or something ;D Someone makes a suggestion and there always assaulted with some garbage. Just give your opinion...whats so hard about that? Favre retired..Im a little testy I agree with you here, Kage, I am tired of that as well. I can understand why these guys do not like those guys but this agression makes me feel sick. If you do not like someone, do not answer his post, do not talk to him, is it so hard to do? Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Valeria on March 14, 2008, 02:26:50 pm Sometimes I think we need two boards, for russian and nonrussian players, with restricted entry for each of them. Splendid idea! ;) Why stop at just the boards? We have plenty of players. Why not two muds too? no place for the sarcasm please You apparently do not read the boards here if you think there is no place for sarcasm here. This place is full of it. And my point is, if you cant see it, that we dont have enough players in the first place for this type of foolishness. Do you really think we need two boards? Dont we already have a russian language section on this board? Its not a problem with the boards... Or, we could just go back on another tirade about your breasts. You didnt seem to have a problem with that. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Nierth on March 14, 2008, 03:26:00 pm Valeria what's your problem?
If you gonna lecture me you'd better not do it. If you do not know the word 'joke', it's your own problem. If I want to divide boards I will do it without any permission, if I haven't done it yet what does it mean try to guess. And yes I have no problem when guys were discussing breasts of Nierth, time has gone when I took everything here close to heart. Especially jokes. You do not know me, most of you are only letters on the screen. So leave your opinion about me with yourself. Stick to the game. "And my point is, if you cant see it, that we dont have enough players in the first place for this type of foolishness." And my point is if you can't see something or do not know something better do not say anything or it looks too dull. Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: deda on March 14, 2008, 03:26:40 pm The breast topic meant no disrespect to both Nierth or women in general. It was done as a sign of infatile worshipping of that specific part of woman body. I must admit, I prefer brains to breasts but pictures show only the latter. Please, move the offtopic part to the inn?
Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: ezus on March 14, 2008, 04:30:01 pm Mmm. deda.. brains... this is soooo strange :)
but for you.. old pervert ;D (http://f1.live4fun.ru/pictures/img_625167_3_0.jpg) Title: Re: Chromatic set Post by: Hiddukel on March 14, 2008, 04:37:58 pm Lets cease this talk of boobs now, we are mature grown adults.
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for English speaking folk :) |