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- So your point is?  something that you should be able to defend one on one all the time?  A seasonal assassin guardian can make a majere priests re-raid quite time consuming.  Different classes give different results.  This log is just a continued complaint?

please imms make the buggy latch usable in combat only not as a combat starter. Yeah, I wanna whine a bit too. It's been a long time since the last time I whined... ;D
And make trips and bashes not check ground control upon latched victims.
and seasonal assassins unable to read the mockingbird manual...

btw, lirion, I commend you for fighting honourably...

Guards can't really be raided while online, its a nice power I always thought  ::) Other clans were always worried about Valg & Liri turning up, but guards don't have to worry about it! :)

it's because those goddamn shackles work too well >:(

Hmm. Posting this post I just want to show - The most stupid reraid as I ever saw.

If fact Thorak just run, hit Sentinel and flee. No matter of own health condition. Just run backhand and flee. I try much things. but its useless. I latch, he flee. Latch is not so good now, Deda. Even trip in Python, even Bash in Python.
The best holds cant hold a foe - to hurt him mote 1500 health (Thorak when he have problems - going to defence.. full defence and spam flee :) clever boy ).

I can call such way of reraid is allowed cheat... No one other clanhall can be reraid in such way.

Deda. latch can be used only in battle, no from start of battle.
If you see log (he is long) - and everywhere things - Like Thorak has arrived (in beginig) and Thorak has fled (in the end) cutted.

Dear Hiddukel - from this log - for me is obviously only one thing - anyone can reraid own power from Guardians anywhere anyhow like this did Argonar. No matter of number of defenders from Guardians... I am sure 100%. (Only Healer frow row of Guardians will help. or hold like hold person).
Its because no one others Valg&Liri :)
Someone must be brave but so many people around are unable to raid against defender online.

I feel itself cursedly.
Gods put me in such situation when never mind that I do (or any other protector) result always one - reraid. And dont tell me I am slow newbie. Not much people can stay against Lirion now.

and what do you expect? A few nights ago I watched zey defend against thion at least 20+, got him all disarmed (there were at least 6 swords west from the barbarian) and still thion ran and ran... and zey wasn't able to kill him.
I admit, you geared up Lirion pretty well, but the reason you're so invincible lies more in the general OP of the seasonals which accompanied with your pk skills is rather lethal...

and what do you do against a defending heretic? You blind him and he kills the barbarian himself, then you kill him... wtf do you call that?

you have an outer that actually does something and you still complain? what are the rest of us supposed to do then? Delete delete?

Please everyone calm down. No need to post everyone about "whine" - what a stupid word. My post not about it.

I just see no sense now to raid any other clan. What for?
Every wimper will come and reraid it freely? Nah?

Let everyone read again this log again and try to imagine self on my place.
You raid someone - great. You see a foe, he came and have no power. Great.
Its a good chance to kill him?
Yeah, may be in your clan.
So, you stay in one room. Trying to bite coming foe ... Imagine Imagine...
Stay 2 hour and bite a man who come, backhand sentinel and spam flee...
After he going rest sometime. And after he continue.
Anyone amagine?
Feel self a Hero? Feel self happy?
I take more happy when I reraid. I run to barbarian - torn Thorak in pieces (when he have power, me not), torn barbarian in pieces and back my power back.... Yeah.. Its from 1 or 2 attempts.... 10-15 minutes. Its a game... But 2 hour hunt a wimpy coward....
Repeat again - if fact I have no deal that I lost some time, I try to show some people who want to understand something how its all going in Guardians.


I wholly satisfied my guardianship. I dont ask about anything.
I only wanted to SHARE my pleasure from defending.

I see -  Zey a funny guy. Call me a theoretic when I said - use disarm and now start disarm :)

Call me coward once again and you will regret it.

drown me by tears?


:)
Well... lets call it "careful outranged hunter" *rofl*

I guess he wasn't drunk the second time... 8)

Whine is a stupid word... and it stands for what you are.

Now, let me tell you something about myself. About two days ago, it was 3 a.m here in Brazil and I was about to leave, when I saw Valgarik coming in. You know what I did, I didn't leave, to see what was going to happen. You and Valgarik attempted to raid me. I think it was some good two hours we stayed fighting. And let me tell you more. I see no one else in this game doing the same thing. When I and Zey were on, I saw Thionrilas entering, quiting, and no, Thion did not come in afterwards. I saw dehucka on the forum, but no, Valgarik did not come in. When I enter realms, Manaia leaves realms. When I enter realms, I am usually only one in my PK.
If someone here may be called coward, I assure you I am not him.

Hmm, do you thinks its brave to fight heretic against mage? I believe Valgarik cant hurt a Heretic with power, and its normal. In fact Heretics well protected from magic(spellbane)... And well protected from hand to hand fighters (resist+primal).
But how can I call a man who flee from battle in condition Small wounds? Always? Its not tactical move..  Well. not aswer... just all imho. Lets stay by own positions. You post self opinion I post my...

You call it tactical move for me to stay long enough for you to latch me? Then for you tactical and idiot mean the same thing.
I can be like you if I want... I can say that kicking dirt in my eyes and fleeing and then returning to kill barbarian without me to help him is actually you being coward. But I am not a whiner, and I understand the concept of the word 'strategy'.

It will work only when you reraid guardians - no in other clanhalls. Cause the other defenders follow you and will give you a good kick and will chase you from own clanhall to city :) Where Guardians will protect you :) If you was able to reach city by that time and dont die on the road.
 

Lirion. You ignored my words and said nothing of any worth. This is not my first clanned character. I know how to reraid.

Oh, i know how to kill :)

most of them don't run on foot: it's either flee/c word of flee/quaff. And try to hunt anyone blooded and blinded...

- Someone who doesnt allow themselves to be killed is not a coward... Lirion you had some good points ages ago when your posts about this started.  Do you feel yourself overpowered by other clans now?  Or is the overpowered nature of a seasonal clanned assassin not enough.  You want your cake and to eat it too (american expression).  As kazo I re-raided alone many times...and I know what your talking about...when I was basically naked it took forever..and I died several times.  When I died I did not feel more brave..it meant I made a mistake.  I believe the clanhall and the powers are put in place for guardians for a balancing issue.. I do feel they need a power tweak but the basis is this I think.
1) No one likes to raid guardians when they are on.  Criminal flag equals death eventually...no other clan can make such a boast.
2) Your clanhall is super easy location for enemies you say, but it is great for you too..can just recall or portal to your clanhall.  Not many other clans can do this save for Herecy or to some degree one other.

Your old good points are getting missed by what seems like arrogance and bullheaded attacks at implementors and players.  No one is supposed to stand and die to latch because you would like it to happen.

Since we are supposed to share things, let me share a piece of information. Lirion, from the beggining of this topic until a few hours ago, I and Sangre were inside Solace and you were on forum, yet Lirion did not appear to reraid. Must I say it?
I must. You are the coward. You only come in when you know you wont have trouble. You don´t know how to play the game properly and you sure as hell dont rp. And about knowing how to kill people... there are people better then you, and still you are not that good. You never killed Razlen for example.

Kage.
Many peoples speak here about Raid, but its not a topic of this themes.
Please aswer "Your old good points are getting missed by what seems like arrogance and bullheaded attacks at implementors and players." Why you stay on way to judgement me? What the problem? I am talking with others and they answer me the same way :) It all in within the framework of rules of a forum. Why you wish specify to me it as something wrong? I prefer speak validly but without half-words. Let me follow my way, if I will cross the line - I will see it by myself.

The true is born In dispute /rus/ So let we find it.

Argonar.
Lets see your information :) Oh, you sure must to said it. Only Truth. :)

I try do no enter in realms after 2AM of my local time. I almost sleep (Sleep today 2h)
I correct my log some time and after talking on forum some hours.
I have quietly apprehended your application for my cowardice.
I think we are free mans and no one must force us what to do.
It seems yours clanmate it is your last chance. Relax. Kidding.

You said "I know how to reraid" Are you the best reraider? I think no. And when I answer to you "I know how to kill" (As I see There is no statement about that I the best, I never pretend to be best in murder) You wrote "And about knowing how to kill people... there are people better then you, and still you are not that good"

You in general feel a difference?
Everyone (even me and you) know that I not the best in murder. So in what the sense of your answer to my usual statement was? Please do not speak well-known things. No one need such answers like yours.

Would like to note that at a forum some people frequently answer not on a theme.
Who remembers what about this theme?
It was about How I want to share my feelings from reraid...
On a course of a theme to me have reminded
1 That my class too strong
2 That my clan too abrupt
3 That I am rude and have left from a correct way

Sometimes it becomes simply ridiculous

As a matter of fact from answers it is possible to draw a conclusion - he has not given to latch himself and consequently all has made correctly

"In the form all is correctly and as a matter of fact full mockery" My imho.

argonar.. bite him!  ;D i vote for you  ;D   ;D  ;D
look.. maybe i missed something and could anyone explain to me whats going on here? Where damn are all these lirions fingerthrowings from??  :o Maybe he did something really kewl?  ;D Show me i wanna see!!!!  Or it's just because of my and ezus's leaving? he never even opened his mouth when we were around.. ;D ;D  ;D

Unreal. To bite something its need to stay in battle some more the 1-2 round.

"Maybe he did something really kewl?   Show me i wanna see!!!!"

Может быть лично зайдешь и я тебе лично покажу :) Я добрый, трупы не граблю как такхи. Деда может подтвердить :)

observing all of that - i miss ezus and mientra - they was good motivation. they was tasty and all shiny.

i vote for them to return!!! (anyway i can do nothing to heretics now, only bite em with mighty magic missile :))

it s a game, dont be angry - any of you... lets bring more fun... make love not war ... etc.

хренассе.. а гдеж ты раньше был.. битых полгода я ждал и ждал..  :'( так и не дождалсо  :'(

кроме того никаких гарантий что ты сможеш мне показать чтонибуть кроме бравого патрулирования своего кипа да палантаса.. проверено.. видели уже.. не впечатляет если честно.

Ага, ты ждал не отходя от главного дракона такхов, со стеной льда за пазухой и Толпой Друзей в Аське :) Фирменный шаг Такхов...
Да ты крут, чувак!

Puk.

PS: I think it's normal to make a focus on guarding cities - not on raids +addon in noraiding inner.

Hmm, how its going on with empower of 4-5 other clans?
Agree, its normal for you.
Offensive heretic figter with empowers and any foe (without clanpower) who comes to reraid...
May be still remove protection from self and put a cord on neck?

The most good chances to kill the opponent at 35 level is to kill him on reraid.
But this is no for such Glory clan like Guardians.

Poor guy feels a fundamental need to self-assert.  :'(

bugaga again.

The main goal of Guardian for you - is to kill the opponent?
You'r the best!  ;D ;D ;D

Critic, are you able to read?
Where you found it?
War its war.
Heh, what a hell Heretics want from assassin :) Its the most magical class.

Are fighting with fighter Thion is the main goal of Heretics for you?

"bugaga again."

Btw: start using disarm? You become the theorist?

Meh, there's no need for quarrel and hard feelings. A few nights ago I failed to kill a draco takhi on reraid due to many reasons: my own suckiness, white paint not working against blinks/int. hands, not being able to hurt him well etc... Did I feel frustrated - yes, but that's the mud. Sometimes you feel superb, sometimes you delete 8) A person who starts spamming flee having 1500hps against defending seasonal is a smart one in my book. We all saw logs of master's druid trying to reraid against the guardians - he had 2k hps but it took him 1.5k hps to flee from being latched and slowed... and since valgarik is astralled type, one can never be certain when he's around. I'd even go that far to propose imms not to allow him being astralled when he's on duty... 8)

Guardians are about law enforcement. Damn elves spoiling the clan.  ;)

-  Request to lock, burn and bury this and related topics...its leaked from logs to ideas to discussions.  It is a plague of blah blah blah.  At least when me and ezus argued we had the decency to get banned eventually.  :P :P :P

i do agree this goes with another topic. that i think a room should be added under sent so you can't just attack flee heal over and over. but good fight.

Someone pls make him a lich so that he has no more feelings to share.

Zondra, Nice. I see you understand that flee and heal is the way to hell...
Nothing smart in such actions, nothing .... crapy spam...

Agronar, you are lucky.
I am just stop playing for today.
I dont want to raid Heretics.. Its easy but senseless. Or any else.

:)
Evading feelings? Oh... my piercing words.
Dont be so sad. Sun will raise

2Lirion: You're funny.