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Way too good.

- Bakali spear
- dagger coated in spider venom
- fur cloak.

Bakali spear is gonna be lim. FNR.

um, I don't get this... the spear might be only good this about newbie life left in solace. I haven't seen any logs of people getting raped by the spear or the dagger, so why downtuning it? why making it limited when there are no people carrying 10 bakali spears in their inventory. Because it is going to happen if you make it limited! Instead of downgrading good items, why not upgrading the bad ones? Basically, by downtuning it, you are not making a balance. Instead, you are making warriors weaker because they are the only ones that benefit from bakali spears.

Cons
1. You cant get it on newbie level without cheating.
2. This way only warriors have benefits, other classes does not have equivalent strong unlimited items.
Pros
1. It helps leveling.
2. It makes life easier.

2:2 :P

ps. maybe those items have been introduced in game as bites for quick recognizing, identifying and catching cheaters!
The ways of immortals are not easy to understand :P

deda,

there was one!

http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/index.php/topic,3574.0.html

oh my, bakali spear is a powerhouse and no one told me!  :P

<sarcasm off>

you can get it w/o cheating at level 1, just die and go there in ghost, usually these spears are on the ground
well if there is no spear -- tough luck then, reroll and go for another weapon
and any class with spear skill can benefit from it, not only fighters

and what really needs to be nerfed is malrautin (or how do i spell it) stuff which is insane

leave my bakali spear alone!

Dagger will be weaker next reboot.
Fur cloak will be limited next reboot, and changed slightly.
Bakali spear will also be modified slightly.

Note: if you die with limited items that have too many in the realms, the item will vaporize. So please be careful with your spears and cloaks.



If you name specific items, we can change things if it is necessary.
Note that the major problems with the other items listed here is that they are unlimited. This is unacceptable for an average 25 dagger, such as the spider and venom one.

hey, you've already made bakali spear limited so why making futher nerfing? Better make bakalis stronger or spellcasting, and while at nerfing, why don't you nerf all autocasting items ignoring spellbane/sanc, orb from malruthin caverns (or whatever their name is) etc... yeah, dagger is ave 25 and poisonous, but you see from durewn's log how "good" it is in combat... it's even worse against mobs. Also, fur cloaks are a threat to balance because they grant 3 reflex and 3 will and the sting of manticore that ignores saves/resists isn't?

and again: there are still so many crappy items all over mud, on some incredibly hard mobs, and instead on improving them, you downtune basic noob gear?   :-\

Post those crappy items here and they shall be changed.

the list would be too long  8)

- I wasn't aware that certain autocasting items were completely avoiding spellbane checks. Most autocasting items are built directly into the area files of a zone. The autocasting items that avoid spellbane checks are coded through a different (and obviously broken) method. This is a bug, and is not intentional. In one of the next few reboots, this will be fixed.
- If you know of some overpowered objects that are autocasting and avoiding sanc, please report them, and I can consider changing them. I'm not familiar with the entire object database of Solace, so you will need to name objects directly if you think they need to be changed.
- ... the orb from malrauthin caverns is not an autocasting item.


Bakali equipment comes from mobiles even weaker than merman guards. And the area holding bakali is very easily accessible and is very easy to navigate. At worst, you might claim that these items are "somewhat difficult" to obtain. A similar judgment can be made about the difficulty of obtaining fur cloaks.
Based on the ease with which these are obtained, I think that there is at least some validation in decreasing the power of the objects.

In any case, I certainly do not consider average 25 weapons that are envenomed/acidic-bite to be "basic noob gear".

Moreover, I am not against improving crappy items that are on incredibly hard mobiles. If you want some items changed, please report them. See: http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/index.php/topic,3193.0.html

since when the obtaining easiness became a criteria for items quality?  :o

lets compare, say, runed armlets, bloeated bracers and a bracelet of safe passage
how would you range these in terms of the obtainig easiness? should their stats be changed accordingly? what about a stone pendant?

Hammer of Judgement is exotic weapon.

I guess switching weapon type to mace will buff it enough.

It is not the only one criteria, don't you see?

unlimited excellent items that are easy to get are nice, making wonderful stuff for newbies and cheaters.

Shortcoming is, it eliminates magic of choice.
If we add excellent unlimited boots, gloves, arms, bracelets etc.,
large game dimension (hunt for stuff) would be locked.

How many of people who whine, know about 'thornblade' dagger ?
Once it was very good dagger, thieves were eager to get it.
Now it is obsolete. Coated spider venom dagger is better.

Cookie cutter!

i do **demolish** with level 1 mino fajter and mace ave dam 14 :)
make dagger mage only  ;D

dagger and spear go limited and no need for fur cloak, anyway first 10 levels are gained fast and after that you can transfer something better than bakali dagger, man!

for instance ?

Xonoth had acid knife and bakali dagger dualed in log.

Lim one and unlimited daggers.

witch queen from dranor still has frost dagger  ;D
fiery daggers are on salamanders, saw it on locate.

but reply is on right place, thieves are to make their own dagger in future? It is their own weapon...

items are nice, but you need a hell lot of time to get down and get back :P (unless ur abjurer)
I didnt notice anything overpowering there (shield from dragon, necklace from guard, frost items in  chest, worm leggings, item from pitlord, etc. are nice but not overpower.) The only exotic i saw is that fireball orb, but you need do a quest with several complications (sigh).
[offtop] which reminded me  to kill Tanis because mob is giving you quest even if they do not have orb, which is opposite from quest from Lorana, for example, which was done nicely, when unicorn necklace is taken, she simply shuts up and doesnt give quest. So you can find yourself wenturing down and up the caves for 3 hours of rl to find out that there' no orb.  :P [/offtop], but you can get such items simple by requesting, for example items from dwarf cleric and captain (whose mace by the way is giving 20 saves).

And that is because i have no thuilor one, this is just because of highest level poison amoung daggers I can acces. Not because of the average or something. Of course I would use another one when will get better. Just flameslinger useless against renx ;-)

generaly I disagree... in current saves system we need more unlimeted items like fur cloak. the current set is enough for abjurer, cleric or fighter for those who can selfbuff. But thief,  for example cannot come close to 20 vs all in current nonlim set, and going against anybody with less then 30 - insane idea.

This is more complex problem, that comes from saves system. I would like if you make more such gear as fur cloak as an options to reequip after full loot.(or partial, to fill empty slots).

As Renx I fought all midranks with 15-20 saves, and did well enough.

@ bluesky

>I didnt notice anything overpowering there

what about the stuff from malrauthin itself?

>So you can find yourself wenturing down and up the caves for 3 hours of rl to find out that there' no orb.

there is the way to find out that the orb has been already taken

so you guys are discussing quests here?:)

you do not need saves vs all against one opponent, just saves vs one or rarely two magic types.
It is possible to get decent values (30?) vs one magic type even in not limited stuff.

Let me remind you, that you mostly fought fighterlikes. when you fought Tiax you got paralysed pretty fast and forced to teleport.
Of course you need no saves against thief or warrior  ;)

and on mid ranks pople have no 3rd feat. ( double spellpen)

we are duscussing about bugs in quests. :)

prolly, but what if your doing this quest for the first time?

that 's why you have counter feat - take 3 arcane defense, 3,4,5 saves ie 12 svs.
who takes combat casting, he cant take 3rd (strongest) spell penet.

This is not a bug, or a mistake.

while downtuning our beloved bakali spear etc. maybe you'll find time to look into those abusing OBVIOUS bug that you can cast aura on wall and  HEAL it????... It's a good thing Kobe reported archery ambush bug, but it doesn't go into my head why he kept quiet about this.

it's not bug.
while you breaking wall from one side, cleric put bricks from another :E