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Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation (c)

I don't see why you had to teleport there. Cleared your inventory before fighting with a thief? Or just plain mistake?

Plain mistake. Or pain mistake?

yeah, now we can see how *powerful* heretics are... Kiri f*cked them up real good.

What I see here is three heretics, two of whom have just got into hero PK and are barely equipped, and also don't even have the optimal races, fighting against much better prepared team. And doing that badly.

Regarding participating characters levels was almost identical.
Concerning the equipment I would win last place if competition between participants has ever taken place.

Levels:

Renx - 33
Laesla - 35
Saneenar - 30

Xonoth - ?
Liora - 31
Atanik - 30

Considering equipment...

[log]
Liora is using:
<worn on finger>    (Glowing) a diamond encrusted ruby ring
<worn on finger>    (Glowing) a royal rakshasa signet ring
<worn around neck>  (Glowing) (Humming) a shadowlord's insignia
<worn around neck>  (Glowing) a golden crescent hung with silver pendants
<worn on torso>     (Glowing) (Humming) a suit of darkened platemail
<worn on head>      (Glowing) a crown of thorns
<worn on legs>      some well-forged leggings
<worn on feet>      boots with razor-sharp claw extensions
<worn on hands>     a pair of spiked gauntlets
<worn on arms>      (Glowing) sleeves adorned with eagle feathers
<worn on body>      (Glowing) a dirty, tattered mage's robe
<worn on waist>     the white tail of a griffon
<worn around wrist> (Humming) the bracelet of the Redhawks
<worn around wrist> (Humming) the bracelet of the Redhawks
<wielded>           (Humming) a spiral staff engraved with ogre runes
[/log]

If this is 'barely equipped', then what you count equipped?

Atanik - Level 29 at the time.

well kiri f*cked heretics-true
well Ger send us log when you fleed to sky=)) from xroads

if laesla was in atanik's pk range, there was another plan B

All right, they have decent eq. No gauntlets of striking, porcelean masks and other powerful items, but good enough.
Still, it's hard to compare these heretics with an outcast who spent a few weeks on 30th rank preparing.
And they had considerably lower ranks (Xonoth probably was 34th).
And I'm still not impressed with their fighting style.

(And the old heretics could not reraid if anyone made outer guard invisible, could be summoned to a locked room/air/... and be stuck there forever, and that's what I miss about them.)

actually, the battle was decided by 2  spells - haste & enlarge. Due to renx being hasted & and prolly enlarged, they couldn't dirt him/bash him. that and dragons = death.

Heightened senses always worked without powers, iirc.

if not this seeng mind thing eyejab and strip/disarm could do the job.
they clearly were not prepared him to tank so well.

[log]
<1055/1274hp 279/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>

Saneenar recites a sweet mystical verse, humming, 'Faernil ralithafi dagnir fao.'
Saneenar is surrounded by a protective shield.

<1055/1274hp 279/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>

Someone erupts from her cover in a sudden ambush!
You yell, 'Help! I've been ambushed by Liora!'
Liora lets out a cry of outrage!
Liora's surprise attack >>> ANNIHILATES <<< you!
That really did HURT!
Liora has some small wounds.

<721/1274hp 279/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: small wounds >
< >

Saneenar utters in a beautiful, mystical incantation, 'Haran marninaan simpa eifinatas.'
Saneenar conjures forth a vision of the Dark Queen.
The spectral head of a green dragon breathes a cloud of green poison!
Liora yells, 'Help! Saneenar is attacking me!'
Saneenar's draconian holocaust decimates Liora.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<721/1274hp 279/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >

Your phantasmal armor deflects Liora's shocking bite.
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora uses the surrounding environment to avoid your beating.
You land a critical hit on Liora!
Liora keeps you at bay with her weapon.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<721/1274hp 279/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >
c hail
You clench your fist and draw magic into yourself.
You call forth a shower of stones!
Your pummeling stone shower DISMEMBERS Liora!
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<721/1274hp 264/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >

Saneenar recites a sweet mystical tune, whispering, 'Haran marninaan simpa eifinatas.'
Saneenar conjures forth a vision of the Dark Queen.
The spectral head of a green dragon breathes a cloud of green poison!
Saneenar's draconian holocaust decimates Liora.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<721/1274hp 264/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >

Your mount gets in the way of Liora's blow.
Liora's shocking bite MUTILATES a young green dragon!
You parry Liora's shocking bite.
The gem on your gem encrusted spiked bracer glows bloody red.
You feel better!
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora dodges your divine power.
You strike Liora with deadly accuracy!
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora dodges your divine power.
You regain your power to sacrifice.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<787/1229hp 264/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: bleeding wounds   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >
c hail

Liora has turned around, trying to escape!
Liora has fled!

<787/1229hp 264/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
You make a deep incantation, drawing upon your magic.
You call forth a shower of stones!

<787/1229hp 249/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>

Liora steps out from her cover.
You yell, 'Help! I've been ambushed by Liora!'
Liora lets out a cry of outrage!
Liora's surprise attack <<< ERADICATES >>> you!
That really did HURT!
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<362/1229hp 249/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: gushing blood   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >

Saneenar utters in a beautiful, mystical incantation, 'Haran marninaan simpa eifinatas.'
Saneenar conjures forth a vision of the Dark Queen.
The spectral head of a black dragon breathes a spray of black acid!
Liora yells, 'Help! Saneenar is charging at me!'
Saneenar's draconian holocaust decimates Liora.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<362/1229hp 249/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: gushing blood   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >

Liora lets out a cry of outrage!
You swing your axe in a vicious arch knocking away Liora's shocking bite.
You parry Liora's shocking bite.
Your phantasmal armor deflects Liora's shocking bite.
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora dodges your beating.
Liora shivers and suffers.
Liora's poison mauls her.
Liora is covered in bleeding wounds.

<377/1229hp 272/519mana 309/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
< T: Renx TC: gushing blood   E: Liora EC: bleeding wounds >
< >
fle
You turn around, trying to escape!
You ride a young green dragon north.
South of the crossroads

[Exits: north south]
     The corpse of a red bird is lying here.
     The torn-out heart of a red bird is lying here.
You rear in a young green dragon and flee from combat!

<377/1229hp 272/519mana 308/309mv 267383tnl | NS>
fly
A young green dragon spreads her wings and rises up in a blast of air.
You are lifted high into the air on the back of a young green dragon!

In the air above a wild forest

[Exits: north east south west]

[/log]

Noone did single normal attack
3 holocasts. 1 shower and 2 ambushes   8)

yeah, speak quietly and carry a pet abjurer with you...  :P

Go go Takhs! Big papa is watchin you! You cant loose. Should not! ) Dont forget to visit the grave of papa Zerthan  ;)

Big papa Zerthan also spoke quietly and carried an abjurer with him.  ;)

deda, it was a big love, we could not act in a different way! :-*

http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/logs/lview2.php?log=183

Very interesting and educational log!

(I think I've seen someone who's done it for over 10 times in row... Or something like that. I am not even sure, since I partially delegated the defense.)

Saneenar was the best here.

update:

is it necessary to piss off other people like you did ?

character devoted to his clan, and it is not rare type of characters still, would get condeath there.
it suits current pk rules, but i personally consider it as a kind of spamkill.

As a clan leader you could respect praiseworthy enemy inc,
and ooc do you really want to have no enemies ?

He's obliged to defend the clan. Period.
(He probably could assign only one defender to make it more duellike... Still, he did nothing she shouldn't been expecting. Ergo, it was plain and simple suicide.)

If "devoted" means "ready to bash through every obstacle with her forehead", then yeah, he was just helping Liora to play out her role. What makes her praiseworthy to you?

When i was leader of some clan, and opposite person come to re-raid and die, i am orderered only one person goes to defend outer and if defender loose, opposite person take power without any problem... And if opposite person die 2 times, i am ordered do not touch him anymore.

And i was never hurted by imms.

What i see here - that is useless murder, and we loose one more player.

i agree. all three didn't need to defend every time.also i think heretics needs more minos...

Maerryji:

It is ability to sacrifice precious lifepower for higher purpose. I feel respect for that.

Did i get you right you do not perform 'suicides', i.e. do not log in characters when there are supreme enemies in range, and use every hole in clanrules to keep your characters alive ? If so, your characters can be powerful indeed. But nobody miss them when they leave.

> It is ability to sacrifice precious lifepower for higher purpose. I feel respect for that.

Precious? Not many characters who avoid smashing obstacles with foreheads live to condeath. Actually, I can't think of any.
All she loses per death is 1/3 of fortitude, some restoration rate, etc. Losing one item would affect her much more than that.
Or are we speaking from IC point of view? Then sorry, Renx is Takh. They do not respect weaklings.
+++ And I fail to see a purpose either.

Speaking of me.
I'm doing what I'm supposed to. If I can't reraid, I do not (then yes, I use conveniently specified conditions you call "holes" to avoid further waste of time; before they were specified I actually had better chance to survive because it usually becomes obvious you can do nothing before you flee for third time). Same if I'm likely to waste more than one life while reraiding. Same if they can safely raid me faster than I do reraid. Otherwise I do. And do my best to achieve the goal, not just show my enemies how self-sacrificing I am.

Usually my characters are made with intention to make people miss the time they weren't there.

it's always nice to see a low-level spell, like hail of stones, that costs only 15 mana and does DISMEMBERS through sanc on, I suppose, now well-equipped cardinal. Go go balance!

no sanc

it seems to me that Liora got bored and just wanted a reason to delete the character  ::)

Well, the outer knight was in a very bad condition (once even nearly dead), maybe she saw some opportunity to kill him despite all.

Generally I support Maerryji's viewpoint. Ripping yourself till condeath won't do your clan any profit.

Everyone knows Maerryji's characters because they come quick, beat the sh*t out of you and generally manage to escape your and your friends' righteous vengeance. Without them midrank pk is much more boring. You'll probably miss them.

One person said:
"the measure of "coolness" in Solace is gear"

You have gear and you are cool. You loose it and become uncool. The ways you keep gear doesn't matter. You log against those that kill you on reraid - you are fool. You go alone without comraids to raid - you are fool twice. My thief Xonoth was very convinient character to prove others that they you are brave. Thief cannot kill alone. Thief can kill a spammer or a man who did some major mistake, but reraiding against thief - safe. No more steal. No more jack. Enter, dirt thief. kill barb, flee, rest repeat. Very convinient character. So you can log any time and show how cool you are. let's imagine. That there is shadow assassin. he can strangle and after that sting. And you will not get away. He can latch and togather with thief, disarm and slay you also(need much more luck here, but still possiblity over 30%). And you will see that Pro player will not log to reraid knowing that he have such opponents. And this player is pro because he stayes alive and has gear!

This is all obvious things for me, but they just do not fit my play stile - this is freaking boring. I am Adrenaline dependant man, when adrenalin doesn't fill my blood - the fight was useless. So I will not understand the people that play opposite way. And I leave those people to play with their kind.

This log is a troll, posted to insult one person - Liora: " Look what a looser, we are SOOO strong and he came to reraid and died, Hahaha, and then deleted - hahaha." Stupid. Force more people to leave this game and you will stay here all alone.

i am looking at current Solace state, and current changes. I have no feeling that Solace developing for me. It is developing for some other people. Solace has no place for single player - with rear exceptions maybe (e,g. shadow assasin, or invoker hoping for nice oppotunity to lock somebody with wall). And I have no intention in creating ooc untigopa - there would be some fun maybe. but I have no time to waste for this experiment.

I was thinking what for I am writing this? for those who are of my kind it is allready obvious, for those of the opposite - they will not hear me. and likely call me a whiner.
I think that troll in this log got me. and the way that pople look at others way of playing...

*shrug* it is, anyway, would be my official farewell. Thanks to those who brought me some fun and gave my some adrenaline dozes.:-)

By posting this log I meant no trolling or insulting. It's your private interpretation.

Moreover, how could I "force her to leave this game"? Come, take back your clothes, go away and do something until fortune turns its front to you and you are able to reraid.

... and Sturm was an idiot - his death weakened Solamnia, eh ?

You can not share another people values. Just respect them, and do not spam murder.

Re: Durewn

It's why i played assassin, and it's why abandoned him... he killed way too easy.

Kobe was sanced for sure, check the damage renx did when he accidentally attacked Kobe.

a bug?

You fall flat on your face!
Your bash misses Liora.
Liora is writhing in agony.

<1585/1585hp 588/588mana 359/359mv 656996tnl | NS>
< T: a knight of the Dragonarmy TC: convulsing   E: Liora EC: writhing >
< >

Saneenar's negative power decimates a lion.
Saneenar's negative power devastates a lion.
You will regenerate health over time.
Liora dodges your divine power.
Liora dodges your wrath.

did same damage to Kobe that to Liora.
Was Liora sanced too ?

bug ?

well, if massacres is same as mangles, then you are right.

yes, bug - missed bash triggers warrior spirit. I pressume renx was in offense.

missed bash set's you into the rested state, seems this is more impotant

Clan rules alow you to give up if you have 3 enemy on. Or if you tried and died. Or if you tried three times and you couldnt. There was no need to come back so many times. Clan members have duty to defend. They can lower their agression but they must defend.

Durewn has a point: game, especially at high ranks, depends on clothes far too much. Couple of items may comprise third of your power. Full loot makes most classes completely useless for hours.
You can get much adrenaline by risking your clothes, but a failure will cost you hours of boredom and frustration. And I'm not even sure there's a way around it if you need the adrenaline.

Actually creating a ruthless horde is a nice way to get enemies. Worthy ones, not those deleting after a first bit of frustration. Who wouldn't be proud of themselves when they destroy them?

Sac all eq and it will keep enemy busy for some time, and your powers pretty safe? Sounds like plan :) It leads to boredom though.
Eq is important but it is distributed to good and evil. There is way to make countereq. Also for Honor Face, bloodline divine can give nice amount, for example. But it is probably going to far... :P
Though... this bashing is quite lethal... balance maybe... and wielding staff for standoff?

Worthy enemies as you understand it wont fight until they have more power then takhisis cabal have, and it is required to have a pack of persons willing to fight you, to withstand 2 shadows, and geared outcast with two support chars. I doubt it is possible (to find ooc group of 3+ seasoned players willing to do it) in current deserted solace. Again, you are clever, and will not fight when odds are against you. Even more boredom to grow these hypothetic characters.

As for facts others, takhi just lost 2 of 3 opponents shown in logs. The best armed battlestation goes to salvage if loose it's purpose - to crush.

Do I need to explain how to fight such a horde? Discreetly. Bashing with forehead indeed won't do the trick, unless you've got 5-7 bashers.
Only Renx there gives the impression of certain battle skill. 3 skillful players would have at least even chances against them. Four even moderately skillful players (3rd-4th decile) would be an overkill. Two clans with 3+3 players above average would make an interesting (and most likely victorious) war.

"Just lost two opponents shown in logs" — so what? People who can't stand tough situations delete. And they should (it's better than whining here). And Durewn just did not like his thief. Your point is "if Takhs have no decent enemies, they should have tried to save these to avoid boredom"? I'd say Edge's more interesting.

Durewn, BTW, what do you think about the competition I proposed? Now that you're free :)

Did i say i do not know 'how to fight such a horde' ? Create another horde, yeah. The point was it will hardly be created in the near future, and non-horde players will avoid to fight the horde as long as Renx conduct himself as he does now.

It is very similar to full crap loot for me. Bad form.

Seems we get no common conclusion.

i don't think sacing all the persons eq is right unless they saced yours before.

"non-horde players will avoid to fight the horde as long as Renx conduct himself as he does now."

Which is good for Renx. More time to travel to Edge.
I don't see your point. He should let non-horde players have their powers? He can't. He should let them take it back, then come and take it again? Seems like a waste of time to me. Any other options?

1. From my point of view, Renx ok.
2. Strikethrough font effect sux.

Long ago I were playing a Solamnia half-elven knight, his name was Orlein. Once I entered the realms and bah! I have no power, and Zerthan is around, with some Takhisis priest whose name I now fail to recall.

I considered my chances. What could I do against a shrouded outer Takhisis guard, with Zerthan's Honor Face cleaving at my arse, and Zerthan himself bashing, and the priest smashing? Not much. So, I were going there to die very likely.

I did not though, for I always were a resistance fanatic, and had somewhat around 40% resistance to holy. Along with sanctuary, harden skin and protection evil it allowed me to stand for several rounds, given the good defense standoff skill provides.

After few futile reraid attempts I left off to wander somewhere waiting for better times.

And whatever high my defenses were, I got something like this:

[log]
Zerthan's divine power wounds you.
Zerthan's divine power mauls you.
Zerthan's magnificient axe named 'Honor's Face' glows fierce red.
Zerthan yells, 'With this blow I'll render your life!'
Zerthan's divine power === OBLITERATES === you!
You keep Zerthan at bay with your weapon.

// Wow, wow, wow! Let's get the Abyss out of here!!
[/log]

Flair shouldn't work with render life.maybeWHEN solace comes back
We can team up in knights if you aren't high lord again cleaving my ass



Come on open this sh!t up!!!!!!!!!!! ??? :P

they killed not only my beloved necros, but changed this most beautifull skill from 'yell' to 'say' :( yes it helped a little bit, when you dont want someone hear you're fighting, but it's roleplaying part was much more important.. in my opinion ;)