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Solace Development => Bugs => Topic started by: Lelik on September 03, 2025, 01:09:47 pm



Title: assassinate and ambush
Post by: Lelik on September 03, 2025, 01:09:47 pm
They shouldn't be blocked by the shield, but they are currently blocked.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: khiren on September 03, 2025, 02:15:06 pm
They shouldn't be blocked by the shield, but they are currently blocked.

Why do you think it's a bug?

[log]
 Keywords: 'Shield Mastery'
----------------------------

   Improves shield block chance, and enables you to deflect offensive spells and
   skills with your shield.
[/log]

According to the help file, it's working as intended. Assassinate and ambush are offensive skills.

You should move this one to the idea zone.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: zondra on September 03, 2025, 03:13:31 pm
I think someone mastered in shields would be able to stop a surprise attack.  But I think the chance should be low


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: khiren on September 03, 2025, 03:18:36 pm
I think someone mastered in shields would be able to stop a surprise attack.  But I think the chance should be low

Since we don’t know the exact mechanism or the “chance,” as you put it, in this game, how can you be sure it isn’t already low?


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: zondra on September 03, 2025, 03:52:50 pm
I think we can't be 100 percent.  Think of strangle I doubt someone would be out for 5 hours same with blackjack.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: Lelik on September 03, 2025, 03:57:51 pm
They shouldn't be blocked by the shield, but they are currently blocked.

Why do you think it's a bug?

[log]
 Keywords: 'Shield Mastery'
----------------------------

   Improves shield block chance, and enables you to deflect offensive spells and
   skills with your shield.
[/log]

According to the help file, it's working as intended. Assassinate and ambush are offensive skills.

You should move this one to the idea zone.
Feint also blocks offensive skills but not assassinate and ambush.
The idea is that assassinate/ambush works when the enemy doesn't see you. Of course, you can argue for a long time that the shield master notices the enemy's attack at the last moment blah-blah-blah. Fighter is also a master of feint, dodge and parry, then he should definitely notice the attack at the last moment.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: khiren on September 03, 2025, 06:04:12 pm
They shouldn't be blocked by the shield, but they are currently blocked.

Why do you think it's a bug?

[log]
 Keywords: 'Shield Mastery'
----------------------------

   Improves shield block chance, and enables you to deflect offensive spells and
   skills with your shield.
[/log]

According to the help file, it's working as intended. Assassinate and ambush are offensive skills.

You should move this one to the idea zone.
Feint also blocks offensive skills but not assassinate and ambush.
The idea is that assassinate/ambush works when the enemy doesn't see you. Of course, you can argue for a long time that the shield master notices the enemy's attack at the last moment blah-blah-blah. Fighter is also a master of feint, dodge and parry, then he should definitely notice the attack at the last moment.

Do you actually read help files? I don't think you do.

[log]
 Keywords: 'Feint'
-------------------

   Use of this automatic skill gives a chance to block weapon hits
   as they are mislead by a tricky feint. The ability to dodge several fighting
   skills is also greatly affected by the dexterity of the attacker and the target.
[/log]

Nowhere in the help file does it say it blocks offensive skills/spells.

However, it says it blocks weapon hits, meaning you'd have to be in a fight for it to become active.

Those two are different.

You just have to read the help file and have some common sense.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: Lelik on September 03, 2025, 06:58:14 pm
My fault I was trying to argue with you. Help files are trash and don’t capture the whole point. We’ll take a look at Sirri’s decision.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: khiren on September 03, 2025, 07:11:02 pm
My fault I was trying to argue with you. Help files are trash and don’t capture the whole point. We’ll take a look at Sirri’s decision.

Yes, help files are the problem, not a lack of understanding or inability to read them.

What a dodge.

Done talking to you.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: Lelik on September 03, 2025, 07:14:05 pm
Done talking to you.
Thanks heavens! Please never answer me again ;D


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: khiren on September 04, 2025, 01:47:21 pm
Done talking to you.
Thanks heavens! Please never answer me again ;D

The moment you quit spewing nonsense, you’ll stop hearing from me.

Ball’s in your court.


Title: Re: assassinate and ambush
Post by: zondra on September 04, 2025, 02:56:02 pm
Done talking to you.
Thanks heavens! Please never answer me again ;D

The moment you quit spewing nonsense, you’ll stop hearing from me.

Ball’s in your court.


It's gonna be a long game then