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cos mockingbird sucks!  8) even  with seasons :P

And lets return seasonal hand too :)

not sure if it's still around but lets bring back fury stance too, don't think it's around.but hell i still haven't found one book at 35plus15,,,, :-\

and remove damn bugged range attack forever  >:(

And if you allready started those ideas about bringing back something, let me ask sanctuary back to alters :) or take it off from abjurers too!  ;D ;D ;D

PS: if mud will not be back soon, i think we will generate million suggestions.  ::)

and i'm 35+20 long ago and have all manuals but no fury stance still ) but it does not mean than it is removed.

its just a rare book...
tiryl have it and Himetris had aswell...
Warlord have it....
just keep looking  ;)

Displacer style? ??? That existed? My first character in Solace was a assassin and found Mockingbird style, and that means that this displacer was removed more then 8 years ago... same with seasonal hand. I remember reading the help file on it, but it already had been removed when I made my first character...

Anyway... what the hell are you guys talking about??? Fury stance exists.
And alters HAVE sanctuary. You guys really should try playing the classes before you criticize them...

Really ? :)  my next  char will  be alter  :)

my fighter had fury stance too.

Also, give back powered spellbooks casting for thieves, and grab off this ridiculous tackle once per fight.

And power up druids somehow. And empower beast assassins.

I want a icecream sunday with chocolate topping, but it has to be belgium chocolate, and with one and a half cherry on top.
 ;D

oldschool thiefs a overpowered  ;D
sanc displacement harden haste fireball etc etc etc
please dont bring them back! its a hell !
if you do. ill be a thief in takhisis ehehehe
or... in tower? :))))

mb no displacement for them. Now thieves are clearly underpowered. Middle should be achieved.

I don't think it is underpowered to be able to take items from others without having to kill them and without them ever being able to kill you. Thieves are amongst the most unkillable classes.
They are not such of a battle oriented class, and I think it is right that way.
IMHO, clerics of Mishakal should lose shield block and gain nothing in return.

You are watching the show "If I were a coder".

erm, druids are unkillable too. As long as they sit in forest in treeform. And any character is unkillable if he doesnt want to fight.

Main root of hardness to kill a thief - is the fact thief knows he sucks in melee combat. No hold, low hps, new-introduced delay after steal. Do you see many thieves around ?

Haha, if i was immortal :) Main one.

If I am not mistaken, Kage gave a very good example of how thieves can still be very effective in combat. He blackjacked a dude, readied for battle, and started fighting. Cast three 'vapor chains', and whamo, enemy was dead.

A thief has the potential to be a lesser invoker with extreme dodging abilities...

offensive spells can be cut off

Yeah, but then you are saying to weaken the thief in one aspect to make him stronger in another. Thief already has good defense abilities. I say keep him as he is.

I say make him stronger by allowing cast some spells. Sanc, haste. Enough.

played thieves yourself ? Saw somebody doing it ? No fools, its why no thieves.

P.S. thieves were my beloved class. And they are. But suxxed ability to steal items and suxxed bj doesnt cover their weaknesses.

Sanc? There are potions and orbs for it.
Haste? Ask an invoker. You need mage friends to write things in your spellbook anyways.

Only thing I'd say is remove lag from steal skill, unless you are using steal skill repeatedly. (Isn't it possible to do that? Make steal only lag another steal attempt)

i know 2 active thieves at this moment ..
Plenak(dont remember correct name)  and Urich 
and few new players ...

Limited usually maxed potions. Thief doesnt use orbs, if not gnome with 18 dex. Scrolls only.

And try to play them. Not heretic thief, who can have lucky backstab. Play common burglar, who has to quaff detect invis pots all the time, to retreat from everyone and everybody, and seek for money. It would be acceptable for crowded world, to steal a lot of items. But nowadays without players, thief is crap. Cant kill mobs, cant kill players. Poor support (bj, steal, circle only. worst hold, trip ).

yeah you are right... they a weak as melee class...
but they was really strong before...
i remember that uber combo abj + thieve :)
BJ > soften > hold person > hello pit :)
but they can be strong in takhisis clan...
you are always able to do circle stab...
and question...
if you remove autoassist... and your dragon rescue you... can you repeat tackle?

haha, choking warrior/ranger or assassin with abj would lead to same result. Or morgicler instead of abj for middleranks. Or single shadow nowadays :))))

If i remember right, there is 'tackle' affect for few hours.

circle can be performed if thief doesnt tank. Not easy for person, who doesnt use ooc team.

takhisis dragons can rescue you... so you can circle  :P

heh. My ancient kender thief did next : fighting dragon, rescued self with warhorse without autoassist, mounted it and jacked opponent before next round began. Funny thing to perform ;)

i remember :*you see someone enter an unusal fighting stance* that was get return sack;quaff return;quit

Hagrin has fury. It's almost seems less rare now days. I know some random fighters who've found it recently too.

i just have the worse luck ever i guess.

why you care about fury so much?
its less usefull then weaponmastery iron grip

i want any of them

heh...
count sweeping strikes and parting blow
damn i'm not sure how its called correctly  :-[

sweep is bad ass. had it years ago. it seems harder to find them now. or like i said i have ad luck it seems.

damn write blackjack! BJ is.. something.. a bit another thing..  ;D

- I believe this is the log Argonar is referring to.  http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/index.php/topic,4338.0.html

- Me and one other I dont recall got Thieves nerfed and buffed in a short amount of time.  Tackle etc.  I dont know what their state is now tho.  Tackle got nerfed to once per battle?

- Problem is, thieves were/are on a weird slippery slope.  No one likes them now, in my opinion, because it requires OOC mage friend to give his xp for good spells.  And if book is looted, all that work is poof.  So your left with a soft char that once his element of surprise is gone is hunted always.

- But this log shows, is an offensive marvel... he should not be a tank and offensive bomb too , no?

*rofl*

One debater believes thieves can use orbs, another does not know tackle was nerfed (it happened last January). Why discuss thieves at all if know so little about them ?

P.s. victory in the log has nothing to do with spells, it's pure physical damage superiority.

Sorry, oh mighty knowledgeable one!

I just figured, if assassins can use orbs, thieves also can. I always found thieves more attunned with magic (even though they don't have spells to start with)

I think his point was that offering conclusions based upon anecdotal observations probably isn't the best way to judge a class.

Well, everybody said their wishes... now its my turn  
Though leaving the enemy clan without their powers is reward enough by itself, a wave from tsunami of Greed has reached my boat...  8)
[log]

'Clan empower heretic' skill is active permanently,
   modifying health by 50
   modifying mana by 100
[/log]
could be
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'Clan empower heretic' skill is active permanently,
   modifying health by x
   modifies mana regeneration by 1
   increases spellpower by 1
[/log]

i ment, what is 50 hps for somebody with 1500hps or more...? scratch