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Title: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 10:08:50 am
Lets just remove all rules from the game.

Here are a few reasons why:
- Some people are not able to control themselves, or are unable to comprehend why that is important.
- Immortal staff is unable or unwilling to ban these misfits which obviously ruin the game for so many.
- Quake is cool, point and shoot.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: Genocide on October 09, 2014, 10:36:34 am
Remove limwatch daemon as well! All stuff should be unlimited !


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 10:39:16 am
Remove limwatch daemon as well! All stuff should be unlimited !

+1


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: Biopower on October 09, 2014, 10:49:47 am
Return Arena back. Let people fight there without losing anything.
It was cool place without RULES!!!


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 10:51:10 am
your wish fulfilled

http://www.kongregate.com/games/mike_id/doom-1

Here you can play Solace of your Dream


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: andrey on October 09, 2014, 10:57:00 am
Return Arena back. Let people fight there without losing anything.
It was cool place without RULES!!!
+1

And rules must stay as and limited eq.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 11:10:44 am
There were a test-part in Dark Mists, CF and Solace after heavy changes when all new chars got autopromotion to hero level and ability to choose a clan and join it automatically.

It was fun, blood, guts and corpses all over the main cities. Crazy battles ten on ten. Limited eq was moving from char to char because noone could survive that bloodshes more then 20 minutes.

First day of this test MUD was full of people. But then most of them quit playing untill the test ends.

We like MUDs not only for bloodshed and limited eq.

I know the only one successfull MUD without any rules (few rules about harrassment and weird language does not counts).

 


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 11:33:32 am
Return Arena back. Let people fight there without losing anything.
It was cool place without RULES!!!
+1

And rules must stay as and limited eq.

Just no, man. No. People who play this mud obviously can't have fun while following rules and there is no interest from immortals to enforce them. 


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 12:25:41 pm
Nyphistra has crappy RP actually.

But your constant whines are much worser. Really, man.

Actually, if I had a right to judge.. I do not agree wiht most Sirri arguments in this dialogue. In example Nyphistra  is not a warder wanna be. I do not see "dedicate" in her title.
Actually reasonless PK is forbidden in solace. And dwarven neutral priest have no reason to hunt anyone.

So you right in almost all points, man.

But.

You have very rich whining background. Eveyrone know you whining constantly. Everyone. It is like Beorns lust to equipment. You whine.
That's why noone looks serious at your next whining man. And it is just your fault.

Know tale about boys and wolves?

Today you have real reason for whining. But who cares?


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 12:42:03 pm
Nyphistra has crappy RP actually.

But your constant whines are much worser. Really, man.

Actually, if I had a right to judge.. I do not agree wiht most Sirri arguments in this dialogue. In example Nyphistra  is not a warder wanna be. I do not see "dedicate" in her title.
Actually reasonless PK is forbidden in solace. And dwarven neutral priest have no reason to hunt anyone.

So you right in almost all points, man.

But.

You have very rich whining background. Eveyrone know you whining constantly. Everyone. It is like Beorns lust to equipment. You whine.
That's why noone looks serious at your next whining man. And it is just your fault.

Know tale about boys and wolves?

Today you have real reason for whining. But who cares?

Stick to topic


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: deda on October 09, 2014, 01:58:58 pm
Nyphistra's act of gayness >>> ERADICATES <<< your ass!

You learn from your mistakes, and your ass becomes more lubricated.

You have become better at Imm trolling!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: andrey on October 09, 2014, 02:14:37 pm
Nyphistra has crappy RP actually.

But your constant whines are much worser. Really, man.

.... It is like Beorns lust to....

Hey, you can't forget name Beorn? This thorn will forever stick in someones ass? ;D  ;D poor poor noob. ;)


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 02:24:16 pm
Just stop kill Khiren's chars untill he starts to PK.
Or his whines will >>>> DO UNSPEAKABLE INCURRABLE DAMAGE <<<<< to our brains on this forum


And really guys. According to the Solace rules player killing should have a reason. Actually a REAL reason. Not imaginary reasons like... "My current dwarven true neutral cleric feels tickling in my heel when I see someone in PK and I can't help myself killing"

Want to PK without certain reason - go evil chaotic and PKill just because you really mad on entire world. But then you will have to PKill your RL friends also.

Or go Knight and kill everyone with red aura. Even if they three and you alone.

That is kinda idea of this game.

And, khiren, draconians are hated by all Krynn. This is kinda idea of Dragonlance books. Even draconiasn hate each other. Humans who serves Takhisis in her army hate draconians according to the books.

Actually minotaur who joined Takhisis clan have a reason to kill a draconian from the same clan. Because he hates him. He will have to stronly rp his hate, but he can.

You chose wrong race. Play elf, and I will gladly see the Nyph's explanation why she attacked elven cleric of Mishakal. And then why she attacked him again.

Solace RP is based not only on Solace rules and helps. But also on DL books.

So... Noone broke the rules, actually. I do not think that hunt you constantly is a good style. But still there was no cruel rule-breaking.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 02:25:22 pm
Hey, you can't forget name Beorn? This thorn will forever stick in someones ass? ;D  ;D poor poor noob. ;)

Hey, the note about Alenta... how the hell his full name.. was not the only one reason :)

Alent... is not by char by the way.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: andrey on October 09, 2014, 02:32:06 pm
Hey, you can't forget name Beorn? This thorn will forever stick in someones ass? ;D  ;D poor poor noob. ;)

Hey, the note about Alenta... how the hell his full name.. was not the only one reason :)

Alent... is not by char by the way.
If not yours then why you 'love' beorn so much?    ;D


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 02:33:16 pm
Does anyone else not like gay being used as an insult, i think its totally wrong to use something someone can't control as insult,  they feel ashamed enough as it is.,,for no reason i might add


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 02:36:12 pm
If not yours then why you 'love' beorn so much?    ;D

No "love" nor "hate" I find quiet funny this eq hunt and note to all from clan leader about bracer or something.

Then a log about axe and other stuff.

It is a reason to joke some, not to "love" or "hate" some :)


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: andrey on October 09, 2014, 02:44:27 pm
If not yours then why you 'love' beorn so much?    ;D

No "love" nor "hate" I find quiet funny this eq hunt and note to all from clan leader about bracer or something.

Then a log about axe and other stuff.

It is a reason to joke some, not to "love" or "hate" some :)
What for a boring 'joke'
Even good joke is good one time , second....ok . But you remind name beorn too much ... It's for sure something more then just a joke. :)
Ps: and what exactly funny u find in RP of a greedy for EQ dwarf?


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 02:46:06 pm
What for a boring 'joke'
Even good joke is good one time , second....ok . But you remind name beorn too much ... It's for sure something more then just a joke. :)

Enough is enough. I just gave up to remind the name... damn.. I forget what name... anyway.. whatever :)


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 02:52:04 pm
And really guys. According to the Solace rules player killing should have a reason. Actually a REAL reason. Not imaginary reasons like... "My current dwarven true neutral cleric feels tickling in my heel when I see someone in PK and I can't help myself killing"

According to last conversation I had with Hiddy about this matter, you don't have to have actual real reason for PK. You can just who pk/find pk/do PK.

Just stop kill Khiren's chars untill he starts to PK.
Or his whines will >>>> DO UNSPEAKABLE INCURRABLE DAMAGE <<<<< to our brains on this forum

Really, I don't mind being PK'ed, what I do mind are cheaters and lazy ass IMMs.

Want to PK without certain reason - go evil chaotic and PKill just because you really mad on entire world. But then you will have to PKill your RL friends also.

Or go Knight and kill everyone with red aura. Even if they three and you alone.

That is kinda idea of this game.

Here I agree.

And, khiren, draconians are hated by all Krynn. This is kinda idea of Dragonlance books. Even draconiasn hate each other. Humans who serves Takhisis in her army hate draconians according to the books.

Actually minotaur who joined Takhisis clan have a reason to kill a draconian from the same clan. Because he hates him. He will have to stronly rp his hate, but he can.

You chose wrong race. Play elf, and I will gladly see the Nyph's explanation why she attacked elven cleric of Mishakal. And then why she attacked him again.

Solace RP is based not only on Solace rules and helps. But also on DL books.

So... Noone broke the rules, actually. I do not think that hunt you constantly is a good style. But still there was no cruel rule-breaking.

Wrong on all points. First you create rules, then you make a loophole which bypasses your set of rules. That is cheating. Sounds much like bible. Are you religious?


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 02:54:55 pm
Does anyone else not like gay being used as an insult, i think its totally wrong to use something someone can't control as insult,  they feel ashamed enough as it is.,,for no reason i might add

I use it only on cheaters.

Seems appropriate.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 02:57:24 pm
Not really your saying they are "gay" like that means are the bad horrible people, that in turn means meaning gay makes you horrible


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:00:15 pm
Not really your saying they are "gay" like that means are the bad horrible people, that in turn means meaning gay makes you horrible

Bingo! Zondra, you are one cleaver mf.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 03:03:06 pm
So you hate gay people? Everyone has the right to'do live'how they want, hate is a thin line, the nazis hated the jews and said they had no right to live this way, if they aren't directly hurting you why hate anyone


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:06:12 pm
So you hate gay people?

This gay bunch, yes.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 03:09:37 pm
Doing my best here not to flip out, you just'dont get it


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 03:12:23 pm
According to last conversation I had with Hiddy about this matter, you don't have to have actual real reason for PK. You can just who pk/find pk/do PK.

If this is an official opinion they must change text of the rules.

Quote from: SolaceRules
People who are neutral should balance their PKs on interaction and are expected to PK for a *reason* (not just for items or for very loose race/class  reasons). If you cannot prove that you knew someone's alignment without using OOC information, than it is best that you do not kill them.
and
Quote from: SolaceRules
However, people who just log in to PK WILL BE punished.

Wrong on all points. First you create rules, then you make a loophole which bypasses your set of rules.

Again. According to rules player killing is allowed inside roleplay. Draconians are really hated race. Really. So anyone can explain why he killed draconian without breaking any rules.

Maybe... maybe.. someone do not like you OOC and keep kiling your draco-char alone and in group. Sad. But those killers will have good in-char exlpanation for that kills.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:18:21 pm
Doing my best here not to flip out, you just'dont get it

It's easy, I am OK with gay in general, but this bunch of gay people I do dislike.

It's like you are OK with bunch of pears, but when you find out that one pear has started to rot and full with worms you dislike it instantly.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:20:50 pm
According to last conversation I had with Hiddy about this matter, you don't have to have actual real reason for PK. You can just who pk/find pk/do PK.

If this is an official opinion they must change text of the rules.

Quote from: SolaceRules
People who are neutral should balance their PKs on interaction and are expected to PK for a *reason* (not just for items or for very loose race/class  reasons). If you cannot prove that you knew someone's alignment without using OOC information, than it is best that you do not kill them.
and
Quote from: SolaceRules
However, people who just log in to PK WILL BE punished.

Wrong on all points. First you create rules, then you make a loophole which bypasses your set of rules.

Again. According to rules player killing is allowed inside roleplay. Draconians are really hated race. Really. So anyone can explain why he killed draconian without breaking any rules.

Maybe... maybe.. someone do not like you OOC and keep kiling your draco-char alone and in group. Sad. But those killers will have good in-char exlpanation for that kills.

1. Yes, that is what Hiddy told me too. But he doesn't have the time as it appears.
2. According to rules you can't switch your char to avenge death of your other char. That is a no, no.  I am not sure you understand points 3 and 5 in rules.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 03:28:45 pm
2. According to rules you can't switch your char to avenge death of your other char. That is a no, no.  I am not sure you understand points 3 and 5 in rules.

Definetly you can not. But if you killed PapaMinoFighter and then in 10-20 minutes a ShadowAssassin logged in, kidnapped you and killed - how do you know this is a char switch? You can not. You can only suspect.
But Immortals know. And if you pray with your suspicious version and they know that there was no multicharring they can not give you IP's of prove. They can not even tell you that you wrong, because it is restricted information.

How immortals act in this cases is their own business. Really. And if you do not see their actions it does not meen they do nothing. Trust me.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 03:32:54 pm
Ill shut up before i say something dumb and neirth slaps a ban on me  :'(


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: moq on October 09, 2014, 03:33:18 pm
Nyphistra's act of gayness >>> ERADICATES <<< your ass!

You learn from your mistakes, and your ass becomes more lubricated.

You have become better at Imm trolling!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I lol'd


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:40:22 pm
2. According to rules you can't switch your char to avenge death of your other char. That is a no, no.  I am not sure you understand points 3 and 5 in rules.

Definetly you can not. But if you killed PapaMinoFighter and then in 10-20 minutes a ShadowAssassin logged in, kidnapped you and killed - how do you know this is a char switch? You can not. You can only suspect.
But Immortals know. And if you pray with your suspicious version and they know that there was no multicharring they can not give you IP's of prove. They can not even tell you that you wrong, because it is restricted information.

How immortals act in this cases is their own business. Really. And if you do not see their actions it does not meen they do nothing. Trust me.

Everything that happened last night happened too quickly.

Look, if they continued to fight with their first set of chars, I would even post a log about it. No matter if loose or win. Do you understand that? Problem is they switched to another set of chars and without any reason or RP strike at my group.

You already saw that Sirrion responded when I confronted him about events last night. They are talking about it, and I can assure you that they are not talking on ways how to ban this bunch of gay people, but how to change the rules so their gay friends can continue to spread gayness through world of Krynn.

Problem is that there is no transparency to what IMMS are doing and that is necessity for a living/breading system that tends to prosper.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 03:41:18 pm
Ill shut up before i say something dumb and neirth slaps a ban on me  :'(

You are free to PM I am pretty sure she doesn't spy on my personal messages.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: zondra on October 09, 2014, 03:52:35 pm
Ill just say its like me saying o that's so Serbian,  just as a general insult, no reason just being born where you were is an'insult,  gay people have the same amount of choice about who they love as you do where you were born, you are making the term an'insult which by definition is being a bigot


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 03:56:30 pm
Everything that happened last night happened too quickly.

Look, if they continued to fight with their first set of chars, I would even post a log about it. No matter if loose or win. Do you understand that? Problem is they switched to another set of chars and without any reason or RP strike at my group.

Man, I can understand your anger. Really. But. As I said before you can only suspect. You can be sure, really sure, but all you can is suspect.
And if you trying to turn your suspect into the truth and then act like it is really truth - you wrong.

I will try to give you example from real life.
Someone stole your byke and you informed police about it. You know that your neighbour was jealous about that byke and wanted the byke like yours. Few days later you see your neighbour on the same byke as yours. You quiet sure that it was he who stole your byke. You are trying to press police officer who works on this case. But he do nothing. And you quiet sure now that he is a friend with your neighbour or your neighbour just payed him.

Maybe... maybe... you right. But maybe your neighbour just baught a byke like yours. And someone else stole it.

If you will keep your thaughts in your head - you fine. Without a byke, but fine. But if you decide to "fix the system" and will go too far with that - system will punish you.

So.. You suspect. Immortals investigate and punish. And they must not report to you.

If your neighbour realy stole your byke, but he is a perfect witness and snitch against famous drug dealer - they will not tell you about that.

That is how life goes. You have no proof, only suspicions. Do not turn them to the Whole Universe Truth.
 


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: Anza on October 09, 2014, 03:59:10 pm
dreadful Nyphistra wrath all asses xD


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 04:01:37 pm
And one more thing, khiren.

We have few Immortals in MUD. Let's talk about Sirrion.
With your whines, sorry for that word, you wasted his time in game. This was a time that he decided to give to the game.
He have life, interests, job and many other interesting things in his life. But he had maybe a hour to do some work for this game.

You stole 15 minutes, maybe, of his time. Also you broke down his creative mood.

Can you tell us now. What interesting game changes, area changes, bug fixes we lost because of you? Did you ever thought about that from such a point?


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 04:08:12 pm
Ill just say its like me saying o that's so Serbian,  just as a general insult, no reason just being born where you were is an'insult,  gay people have the same amount of choice about who they love as you do where you were born, you are making the term an'insult which by definition is being a bigot

Ah, I see your problem. I wasn't referring to that kind of gayness if I may call it physical gayness/attractiveness, but psychological disorder some people.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 04:21:54 pm
Everything that happened last night happened too quickly.

Look, if they continued to fight with their first set of chars, I would even post a log about it. No matter if loose or win. Do you understand that? Problem is they switched to another set of chars and without any reason or RP strike at my group.

Man, I can understand your anger. Really. But. As I said before you can only suspect. You can be sure, really sure, but all you can is suspect.
And if you trying to turn your suspect into the truth and then act like it is really truth - you wrong.

I will try to give you example from real life.
Someone stole your byke and you informed police about it. You know that your neighbour was jealous about that byke and wanted the byke like yours. Few days later you see your neighbour on the same byke as yours. You quiet sure that it was he who stole your byke. You are trying to press police officer who works on this case. But he do nothing. And you quiet sure now that he is a friend with your neighbour or your neighbour just payed him.

Maybe... maybe... you right. But maybe your neighbour just baught a byke like yours. And someone else stole it.

If you will keep your thaughts in your head - you fine. Without a byke, but fine. But if you decide to "fix the system" and will go too far with that - system will punish you.

So.. You suspect. Immortals investigate and punish. And they must not report to you.

If your neighbour realy stole your byke, but he is a perfect witness and snitch against famous drug dealer - they will not tell you about that.

That is how life goes. You have no proof, only suspicions. Do not turn them to the Whole Universe Truth.
 

Yes I am pissed, but for other reasons.

Please, cut down your posts, I don't have time to read through your life wisdom as it doesn't compare to what happens virtually.

"So.. You suspect. Immortals investigate and punish. And they must not report to you."

That is just plain wrong. If they find them guilt you should be compensated and not left in dark. There is no transparency, no nothing, no process which informs involved parties of conclusion.
Only thing you have is the word of the IMM and you saw how Sirrion sounded, he disliked me from the start since I've caught his friends in breaking the rules.

I am way too old to be tolerating this type of nonsense.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: n00b on October 09, 2014, 04:25:37 pm
"So.. You suspect. Immortals investigate and punish. And they must not report to you."

That is just plain wrong. If they find them guilt you should be compensated and not left in dark.

Please tell me when you bought Solace code-base, hired Sirrion as main coder and what is their sallary?
Otherwise try to understand.
In modern world a man reports only to his wife(husband), to his boss and to the law representative if he has certain papers.

If you not one of them you will not be reported.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 04:28:07 pm
And one more thing, khiren.

We have few Immortals in MUD. Let's talk about Sirrion.
With your whines, sorry for that word, you wasted his time in game. This was a time that he decided to give to the game.
He have life, interests, job and many other interesting things in his life. But he had maybe a hour to do some work for this game.

You stole 15 minutes, maybe, of his time. Also you broke down his creative mood.

Can you tell us now. What interesting game changes, area changes, bug fixes we lost because of you? Did you ever thought about that from such a point?

Well if you want to bring him on pedestal like that why not just give him a bj? I am sure he would like it better.

To be hones I don't care about his moods. I came to play, with my friends. I saw people breaking rules, reported them both here and in game. no feedback. when I questioned about the results I got a hostile treatment. That is a poor, poor relations with the players.

I'll say it again, there needs to be a transparency as this will not fly in near future for me.


Title: Re: Remove all rules
Post by: khiren on October 09, 2014, 04:30:02 pm
"So.. You suspect. Immortals investigate and punish. And they must not report to you."

That is just plain wrong. If they find them guilt you should be compensated and not left in dark.

Please tell me when you bought Solace code-base, hired Sirrion as main coder and what is their sallary?
Otherwise try to understand.
In modern world a man reports only to his wife(husband), to his boss and to the law representative if he has certain papers.

If you not one of them you will not be reported.

Every other game has better transparency then this game. It is by far worst in player relations from day one until now.