Last battle of Goris

[Dervish]

I was seeking promotion and Kelvar gave me a quest to gather some rare books. I have completed it, entered and now what happened:
I have forgot to log so this is log from another Tower's member

[TOWER] Kelvar: Nice that you came, Goris.
[TOWER] Kelvar: I wished to ask you about yesterday fight.
[TOWER] Goris: Yes?
[TOWER] Kelvar: Tell me then what happened.
[TOWER] Goris: From the beginning?
[TOWER] Goris: Its a long story, though...interesting.
[TOWER] Kelvar: I'd like to hear it.
[TOWER] Goris: Well I begin. Alantas feel free to make corrections if I miss something.
[TOWER] Goris: I have awoke and saw that Alodea trying to get her power back. Alantas fought with her.
[TOWER] Goris: Then betrayers of Chaos came, two of them and I fought them but they slew golem.
[TOWER] Goris: Then we have wait in the Tower, for Takhisis knights to come. Anrakh and Alodea.
[TOWER] Goris: They did not. And there was several enemies of each other in realms: Chaos, Warder Drunr, Takhisis, we, Guardians.
[TOWER] Goris: And we all gathered to battle near Takhisis temple.
[TOWER] Goris: I fought Chaos and Drunr, but then I fled.
[TOWER] Goris: When I returned there was some battling again and then Anrakh came near me and Drunr attacked him. I have attacked Anrakh too. There was also some Chaos somewhere near temple and Henare.
[TOWER] Goris: Alantas have fought Alodea.
[TOWER] Goris: In this moment.
[TOWER] Goris: I and Drunr slew Anrakh. I have got chromatic and worded.
[TOWER] Goris: That is all.
[TOWER] Goris: There was no need to fight Drunr.
[TOWER] Goris: Or Chaos.
[TOWER] Goris: That is why I avoided battle with Drunr awaiting when he and Anrakh start slash each other. And I could came and strike.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Thank you, the case is more or less clear now.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Hasn't I warned you not to strike at our enemies together with the help of other organisations?
[TOWER] Goris: You did. as well as you said that you wont formalize your order and I responded that I will rely on my own sense.
[TOWER] Goris: That is what I did.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Your memory fails you, seems.
[TOWER] Goris: I am mortal and I am not perfect, but I doubt it.
[TOWER] Kelvar: I told explicitly not to participate in direct combat together with others, and not provide others with helpful spells.
[TOWER] Goris: Anyway I think I did right. And I will do it again. Is not it a true wisdom to let enemies tear each other and strike in the right moment?
[TOWER] Goris: Yes you told this.
[TOWER] Kelvar: And left others cases to your wisdom.
[TOWER] Goris: Indeed.
[TOWER] Goris: And should I just flee and let Anrakh stay alive? I completely disagree and I ask Lady Lunitari to judge us in this case.
[TOWER] Kelvar: You shouldn't have to flee if you hadn't attacked first.
[TOWER] Goris: I do not mean flee from direct battle, I meant "should I avoid attacking and stand still waiting whilst they were fighting"?
[TOWER] Kelvar: You had direct orders to stay aside in such case.
[TOWER] Goris: I think that was not wise.
[TOWER] Kelvar: And I would like them to be followed, while I am Arcane Master.
[TOWER] Goris: And as I told I think I have did right. I ask Lady Lunitary judge this situation.
[TOWER] Goris: Are we Takhisis knights to follow order or elder blindly? Or you wish to turn our organization in this way?
[TOWER] Goris: I follow your order but I rely on my wisdom and sense as well.
[TOWER] Lunitari: Kelvar is not a farther for you, and you have your own wisdom for many actions. But he establishes a politics of the Clan. And this case is such.
[TOWER] Goris: But I totally disagree with it and I will not promise I will obey it in future.
[TOWER] Goris: Politics of the Clan leading to a weakening of the Clan is not something I would follow.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Tower of High Sorcery does not seek killing or total domination.
[TOWER] Lunitari: You are wrong, Goris. And I advice you to calm down a little bit.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Our goals differ from it, and understanding it is crucial in our politics.
[TOWER] Goris: I have said nothing about our goals. But life is such that we have enemies. Does not matter which. We have. And when we have we must fight them with all power we have.
[TOWER] Lunitari: Is Drunr your friend?
[TOWER] Kelvar: I do not limit you within your powers.
[TOWER] Goris: No. He is enemy of Tower and thus mine too. Though I must admit I hold no personal anger towards him and I prefer to avoid battling with him.
[TOWER] Kelvar: But this case is about dealing with powers which don't belong to us.
[TOWER] Goris: Casting my spells against Takhisis and such.
[TOWER] Goris: Kelvar, could you explain?
[TOWER] Goris: About powers which do not belong to us.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Explain what?
[TOWER] Kelvar: You assisted some other person, our enemy even, to slay another enemy of both.
[TOWER] Goris: Yes. I used my power - power of wisdom. Whilst Anrakh did not.
[TOWER] Goris: One of our goals is to fight against enemies. Personal and Tower's. I did it. Succesfully.
[TOWER] Goris: I did not attack someone just in order to dominate or kill.
[TOWER] Goris: I did not ask Drunr to come and help me.
[TOWER] Goris: I just thought that it better to leave and let them strike each other. And I was right. This I call "power of wisdom".
[TOWER] Kelvar: But you did not leave.
[TOWER] Goris: Ahem. I did it before. When Drunr attacked me, I left. And when I returned to this place I saw that Anrakh just moved in and Drunr attacked him. That was what I wished.
[TOWER] Goris: I chased Chaos and waited when Anrakh would came out of his dragon. Then Drunr came and attacked me. I worded - no sense to fight him and better concentrate on Anrakh and let them both  strike each other.
[TOWER] Lunitari: Goris, I am sure, Mages are powerful enough not to use help of enemies and not to help 'em in any situation.
[TOWER] Goris: Lady, we are. But we are not Gods. As for me, my power is good but not infinite. And if I moved out that time, Anrakh most of all would stay alive. With powerful chromatic armor.
[TOWER] Goris: And my point is that I consider not only spells as my power but my wisdom and smart, tricks that I do and so on.
[TOWER] Goris: I leave direct brute tactic to Solamnia, I can not oppose foes directly in most cases. And when I have a chance I strike with tricks.
[TOWER] Kelvar: One tricks differ from another.
[TOWER] Goris: Aye.
[TOWER] Goris: But I do not see any reason for me to avoid such trick I have used. Except your order of course. But before a decision: follow it or weaken enemies I have chose second.
[TOWER] Goris: And strengthen Tower - Farlaun is wearing chromatic now.
[TOWER] Kelvar: While I am Arcane Master, I'd like mages to be able to remember and follow a few rules I establish.
[TOWER] Goris: And I repeat: I am not saying that I will not obey you at all etc. But blind following of orders is more for Takhisis not Tower. This makes us unversatile.
[TOWER] Goris: Understood.
[TOWER] Goris: I keep my opinion.
[TOWER] Goris: And I think I have did right. And I will do this in future most of all.
[TOWER] Goris: Your right to bane me from Tower. I will not say I would be glad for sure.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Aye.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Those in Tower accept will of Conclave or leave.
[TOWER] Goris: Yes.
[TOWER] Goris: So you decide me to leave? May I ask jsut one question before?
[TOWER] Kelvar: You may ask.
[TOWER] Goris: Lady Lunitari is a witness, I never liked history too much. But I certainly remember that Tower was an organization with quite free rules. Wishing of learning magic unitung us not Measure or Codex. But now I see another picture. So I ask: what is the difference between Tower and Takhisis or Solamnia in form of organization. Rithorical. Continue to weaken Tower, Kelvar. But when magi would need my help I will always come. Would I be in Tower or not.
[TOWER] Kelvar: I already explained the difference.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Victory in combat and slaying enemies no matter what is not primary goal.
[TOWER] Goris: Obeying rules is more important then?
[TOWER] Goris: Order I meant.
[TOWER] Lunitari: Cry.
[TOWER] Kelvar: Obedience is important in every organization. I never tended to give orders to left and right...
[TOWER] Kelvar: Yet I given a few rules, and you decline to follow them.
[TOWER] Goris: I did not say it is unimportant. I asked if its more important than slaying enemes and strengthening Tower.
[TOWER] Kelvar: It is.

Here is log of mine:

<1013/1013hp 1148/1148mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E>
You are no longer a member of The Tower of High Sorcery.

<1013/963hp 1148/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> who
-=-=-=-= Visible players in the realms =-=-=-=-
                 Marious the male minotaur
            (PK) Bilmezadam the male kender
            (PK) Goris the male elf, Renegade Mage
            (PK) Farlaun the male dark elf, Archmagi of the Tower
            (PK) Kelvar the male dark elf, Arcane Master of the Tower
                 Alantas the male wild elf, Magister of the Tower
            (PK) Austin the male human
                 Lady Lunitari the Night Candle, Maid of Illusion
                 Gardash the male minotaur, Knight of the Crown

Players found: 9

<1013/963hp 1148/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> smirk
You smirk.

<1013/963hp 1148/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> say Renegade
You say, 'Renegade.'

<963/963hp 1048/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> l

You stop flicking in and out of existence.
DISPLACEMENT IS AWAY!!

<963/963hp 1048/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> A side room in the Inn
  In this small room, set off from the rest of the Inn, the talk of the
people outside doesn't seem as loud. Various musical instruments
are along the walls: lutes, lyres, pipes. An old man is practicing a
song in the middle of the room.

[Exits: east]
Marious the male minotaur is here.
A tall, muscular mercenary stands here, guarding the inn.
An old man is offering to teach you how to play and sing.

<963/963hp 1048/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> Huh?

<963/963hp 1048/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> c displacement
You raise your voice into an ancient incantation.
You begin flickering in and out of existence.

<963/963hp 988/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> inv
You are carrying:
     a girdle of titanic strength
     (Glowing) (Humming) a fiery talisman of lava
     a deep water gourd
     a rune of death
     a ragged and torn cloak
     (Glowing) (Humming) a blue orb
     a leather backpack
     the Talons of the Black Dragon

<963/963hp 988/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> grow
Grrrrrrrrrr...

<963/963hp 988/1048mana 326/326mv 791034tnl | E> who
-=-=-=-= Visible players in the realms =-=-=-=-
                 Marious the male minotaur
            (PK) Bilmezadam the male kender
            (PK) Goris the male elf, Renegade Mage
            (PK) Farlaun the male dark elf, Archmagi of the Tower
            (PK) Kelvar the male dark elf, Arcane Master of the Tower
                 Alantas the male wild elf, Magister of the Tower
            (PK) Austin the male human
                 Lady Lunitari the Night Candle, Maid of Illusion
                 Gardash the male minotaur, Knight of the Crown

Players found: 9

*filling the last role chapter skipped*
Gave some of my gear to friends

And left. To somewhere...maybe home, maybe for his uncle, maybe to continue his searchings of new way of learning spells.


To Bilme, Marth, Farlaun: I will miss you, heh I enjoyed travelling with you friends

others: That was quite funny to play with all ya. Almost as that time two years ago

[Proph]

Hope this doesn't mean the cessation of the great logs 

Well... I never interacted with you except briefly when I dropped a bunch of Phallen's crap on MS and you grabbed it all up GL with your next char

also, you invented a word "unversatile" and I think I like it

[dehucka]

totall crap.

What are you doing guys?

Lord Lunitari, are this allright?

Kelvar using for sure OOC knowledge about battles Goris participate made him leave Tower... for stupidiest reasons i v ever heard from Tower Arcane Master.

it s really disappointing... that breaking Role of one person lead for uninduct and delete of another person.

is there any RP in Kelvar's actions? make rules for tower magi - are he highlord, or chancellor or solamnia grandmaster?

necromancer made a rules to transmutter... 

Main RP point of Tower - wisdom, intelligent, and such RP of Kelvar break all possible RP rules.

only all conclave can discusse and if all or majority agreed instal any new rules.

i think Kelvar totally wrong in this case, and it s not only about RP, it s about gameplay, and "safety of playing".

i can even imagine that Kelvar try to RP hidden Highlord role, but why Lord of Tower did nt judge this case properly?

i cant understand.

[Proph]

It's possible that Alantas informed him about Goris' actions (maybe not even trying to get him in trouble). I don't know all the details, but I do agree that this should not lead to uninduct. Really... I've seen mages do far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far worse and still remain a part of  Tower.

[Werewolf]

All information Kelvar operated was obtained in IC interactions with other characters. If logs from forum could be used as IC proofs, Goris would be punished much faster.

I cannot see where Kelvar stepped out of his role. Maybe dark elf should not be that patient to an elf of light under his command and stubbornly declining to follow orders, but he is wise and does not let anger take control...

And especially to dehucka I advice to watch your role better than others. There are some other roles except chaotic quake-style killer, but for some reason you think everyone should be like that.

[Dervish]

Oh, we start to discuss roles?
Allright. I can not say I did not wait this moment. But this is started, and I continue.

For only .99$ (hurry up! monthly offer) I will send you official DL setting book
Where you can read about Tower as organization and ready that there was not such discipline as in Takhisis knighthood

The members of Tower follow each own path. And leader does not make a narrow lifepath for them by his orders.

"Do not help your friends who are in other clans because they have another goals" - total sh*t. Raistlin helped Sturm. Members from different clans could be a friends. I do not see any reason against this. And if I help member of another clan this does not mean I follow _his_ path. I could reach my own goals with this.
But ok. I have obeyed ( sorry Henare that is why I did not grant you sanc)

This is the first

Well, Solace is not strictly based on DL saga. Indeed. But lets look from IC point of Solace mage, leader of Tower.

He baned one of the most active, skilled battle mage and weakened his organization. What for?? What is _IC_ reason of his order (not bane, but order)??! Now only Farlaun is left. Alantas - yes but I am not sure how long he will play.

Could you imagine that leader of such organization as Tower (if it will exist in real RPG world etc)  will tell such stupid (in context of IC of course) order as to avoid fighting with enemies when they strike each other??

Avoid attacking of enemies - yes, this is possible. If leader is very peaceful pacifist (hm, hard to imagine peaceful necro, but anyway)
Avoid helping enemies - yes
But what is the point of avoiding to strike when enemies are weakening each other? And striking personal enemy of mage? (Takhisis are my personal enemies, I am elf)
Mages are not honourable generally by the way.

And if he right then I ask here again:
What is the difference in between Tower and Takhisis in this context?
If I disobey DHL I be baned. If I disobey AMT I baned as well.

Yes, it is impossible to recreate real RP atmosphere of DL saga. I have travelled with dark necro, and so on. But Tower is organization without strict rules and blind obeying orders.
Maybe in some another world it is. But not in DL.


The last thing I wish to bring attention to is there was not choice for me but to break all RP.
So either I break my RP following Kelvar orders or I be baned.
I do not mean personal RP lifepath and so on. No. But elf, follower of Solinari, who devoted his life to be a battle mage can not stay aside when Takhisis elvenslayers fight with dwarf. Even if that dwarf is enemy of Tower.

The similar problem was two years earlier. I have chosen second decision there (not totally). And I was punished severely by Gods for breaking my RP: I have followed order of Laeran and fought Solamnia. Was forced to delete. So maybe IMMs should define _how_ should elf act in Tower when his leadr is dark necro?

Because my next character will be elf Tower abjurer again...some day. If I return (most of all, of course).
But I really do not like such crap as now and was with my previous char.

And if you like to talk about roles...maybe we could discuss yours, Kelvar? (I suppose it is you)
I had not seen RP from your side except note where you told that magic is overwhelming and we could start experiments etc.

What were your goals as AMT? Where do you lead Tower?
Laeran wished to dominate all the world. He succeeded. Gather secret and powerful knowledges. No, not 5 books from mobs. That was done too. Another his goal was to clear Shoikan Grove and reclaim Palanthas Tower...we had not enough time *sigh*. You do not wish this (strange but its up to you). What are your goals which you can be proud of from RP point? Gather knowledge? Which knowldedges? Tell us here.

Go raid Warders/Takhisis? Great goal. What else?

maybe I am not right here, its just imho

I suppose that you as a person could have your own, secret goals. But as a leader you must show something outstanding as well. Saying another way, some of your RP goals should include Tower. Dominate the world, invent new spells, gather secret knowledges...

[bloom]

What kind of leader is clan leader if nobody listens his orders? Though if Goris is chaotic good elf, that can be reason to disobey orders. But only Entropy leader can allow to himself some (but not full) disobedience from members, because free will is essence of Chaos. If there was no such order, it would be really nice tactic, Anrakh would surely fled from Drunr because they are balanced, but Goris decided to break balance because if they are balanced, ther is no chance that one of  them will die. And i suppose for Tower is best if any of those two dies. So it was good decision in case that there is no such order. But there is the order and that changes everything.
Btw. taking chromatic armor is stealing corpse from other player and that was not job that proud and arrogant elf mage would do, even if it is about chromatic.   

[Quino]

Tower's goal is like you said, gathering wisdom. Tower do not seek way to dominate. If there ARE some enemies already, Tower can (and preferably will) use knowledge for enemies to weaken themselves (like Drunr and etc would kill everyone near Takhs clanhall).

By the way, just comparing Arcane Master and Highlord is just as incorrect.
You don't have any enemies since you are in cabal except for cabal enemies or enemies that strike at you after you are member of clan.

Chaotic Tower killer itself causes me to think he did not join for gathering knowledge. He joins in bloodthirsty anger of powerseek.

No offence, just mine thoughts.

[bloom]

Well, i could say that i understand his actions. Highlord and Drunr are balanced and they can fight a lot time without dying. So Goris decided it would be more fun and useful if he turns the tide and weaken one of them. There are more chance that one of them will die. But some(well, most of)  clan leaders enforce clan politics that forbids to fight with one enemy against second enemy, because it could be seen as temporary alliance, which is unacceptable. Well, lets admit, it is not easy to stay away from pk when there is gangbang like this. So one must have strong character to stay away from battle and obeys order to the end. If that happened to me, i would probably wait for one of them to kill another and become weak and then i would attack him.

(Ok Quino, it is now your turn... hehe)

[Werewolf]

Sorry Dervish, I read enough about Tower organisation to save my .99$.

Just to clarify role things. As dark evil aggressive necro, Kelvar have all reasons to dislike and be more strict to Solinari followers. Some of them gain his respect. Some prove to be stubborn, decline to follow orders and call them stupid and unwise. What you expect from necromancer who is told by white-robed apprentice that he spits on moronic necro's opinion?
(Hint: it is wrong way to earn good attitude from suspicious dark mage!)

>  there was not such discipline as in Takhisis knighthood..

Not such discipline does not mean everyone can do whatever he wants.

> I have obeyed

You obviously did not.

> sorry Henare that is why I did not grant you sanc

It is clear from log you posted that you were going to do so, but just got what you wanted (killing and looting Anrakh, obviously) before that.

> He baned one of the most active, skilled battle mage and weakened his organization.

I would not comment on 'most skilled battle mage', just say that successful placing of hold person spell on several naked people proves little about combat abilities. What is more important is that thinking in terms of combat units is not the way Arcane Lord should think. More strong (skilled, geared) units are better, less or weaker is worse - all your vision of RP tends to it.

>  Tower is organization without strict rules and blind obeying orders.

What made you think Tower has no rules?

> But elf, follower of Solinari, who devoted his life to be a battle mage can not stay aside when Takhisis elvenslayers fight with dwarf. Even if that dwarf is enemy of Tower.

Of course, your alignment can make you go against orders of Tower, helping the enemies of Tower. It is totally up to your IC decision, but it lead you where it should.

> I had not seen RP from your side.

Should I be sorry I forgot to make an outstanding RP show for you exclusively?

[Lady Lunitari]

totall crap.

What are you doing guys?
Lord Lunitari, are this allright?
Kelvar using for sure OOC knowledge about battles Goris participate made him leave Tower... for stupidiest reasons i v ever heard from Tower Arcane Master.
it s really disappointing... that breaking Role of one person lead for uninduct and delete of another person.
is there any RP in Kelvar's actions? make rules for tower magi - are he highlord, or chancellor or solamnia grandmaster?
necromancer made a rules to transmutter... 
Main RP point of Tower - wisdom, intelligent, and such RP of Kelvar break all possible RP rules.
only all conclave can discusse and if all or majority agreed instal any new rules.
i think Kelvar totally wrong in this case, and it s not only about RP, it s about gameplay, and "safety of playing".
i can even imagine that Kelvar try to RP hidden Highlord role, but why Lord of Tower did nt judge this case properly?
i cant understand.

First of all, I am lady, not lord, please.
Second - if you do not understand anything, it doesnt mean to be crap, believe me.

I am very satisfied with Kelvar as Arcane Master, and I am sure all current mages of Tower will agree with me. Folks, a few rules do not mean an Order or Army. Kelvar got all information IC, even if he knew something ooc, he wouldn't take it into consideration to make such decisions.
And Henare knows who should care for his role first of all. And about his characters -winks-
Sad, that Goris didn't pay any attention to words of Kelvar and other mages, sad that everything turned this way, but it was his own decision at least.

[Dervish]

What kind of leader is clan leader if nobody listens his orders?

Poor as _leader_.

Though if Goris is chaotic good elf, that can be reason to disobey orders.

Repeating again: I was not in Solamnia, order was completely stupid from IC point, it was completely against elf's common RP

Chaotic Tower killer itself causes me to think he did not join for gathering knowledge. He joins in bloodthirsty anger of powerseek.

Quino, do not comment please if you know nothing. By the irony of fate, Anrakh was the first and the last one whom I attacked first. Every earlier were attacked me first if I remember correctly. Chaotic Tower killer?

As dark evil aggressive necro, Kelvar have all reasons to dislike and be more strict to Solinari followers. Some of them gain his respect. Some prove to be stubborn, decline to follow orders and call them stupid and unwise. What you expect from necromancer who is told by white-robed apprentice that he spits on moronic necro's opinion?
(Hint: it is wrong way to earn good attitude from suspicious dark mage!)

Can not say even a word against this. Completely agreed, but I argued to another things, though.

You obviously did not.

I did not grant Henare sanc, read more carefully. I told him I would not do this, read again. And do not tell please what I would _intented_ to do. Its pure fantasy.

What is more important is that thinking in terms of combat units is not the way Arcane Lord should think. More strong (skilled, geared) units are better, less or weaker is worse - all your vision of RP tends to it.

Yes, thinking in terms of "who finds more books from the mobs" is certainly better, from both IC and OOC points.

Of course, your alignment can make you go against orders of Tower, helping the enemies of Tower. It is totally up to your IC decision, but it lead you where it should.

Show me please where have I _helped_ enemies.
Yes, follow role or your orders is my decision, I agree. I just bringed attention that it is some contradiction in rules: on first side, I must follow my RP of elf, on another - follow your orders.

as for your RP I clearly explained. I do not judge are you bad RPer or not. You, as ATM, should show RP for whole Tower. Lead us to somewhere not just "log in, go raidl; see you later;"
That is just my opinion

Anyway you have passed all arguments, commenting only the last, without understanding them or willing to discuss. Up to you.

Folks, a few rules do not mean an Order or Army

oh, I did not know. How many rules mean an Order or army though? What about neccessity to obey them, does it makes an Order or Army?
What if rule is completely stupid from IC point? (I suppose so, and as for know, noone argued to this)
1. Do not attack Narin because we had good relations with her when she was a human (great reason! I never read that Tower's mages can not attack friends of leader. Even more they can attack leader! But still can not attack his friends.)
2. Do not help members of other clans
3. Do not...
this are the only I remember
Maybe there was something else
+ Rules of Tower
Maybe enough?

Sad, that Goris didn't pay any attention to words of Kelvar and other mages, sad that everything turned this way, but it was his own decision at least.

So now wind is blowing to another side, eh?

And Henare knows who should care for his role first of all.

Maybe stop blaming personally who is bad RPer or not?
Its is too subjective and

It will lead us to nowhere...

[Niano]

Kinda reminds me of when zerthan uninducted my necro Iotha because kraith showed him a log using pm. This uninducting because of ooc knowledge is bs and its completely obvious.

[dehucka]

to Lunitari - what s with my characters?

not all of them roleplay - i agree, RP sometimes really boring thing - and some of my chars just PK... - but Pk is 50% of fun in Solace. and politic of punishing people who participate and organize really interesting battles - like battles with 4 clans (amazing, that s is core of the game for sure) - such politics decrease gameplay and kill fun and joy from game.

once again - RP and PK should be balanced. in dragonlance Elf should nt kill his enemis he can just pursuade em, but this is PK MUD where s all about playkilling.

what about Henare - i RP lawfull elf for now - after some conversations i dont attack my enemies too active. only if there are two chaotics - i attack sometime, or there are two Takhisis. i can accept Henare was too agressive to some enemies (and only for core enemies) but damn it - i was INQUIZITOR no? what should i do as inquizitor?

punish criminals and enemies without mercy.

i was friend with elven brothers, knights - lots of em, i even start lead a short seminars for those who wish to turn to laws.

i dont avoid battles - i am assassin, i am not knight, so sometimes i use my skills as assassinate to instal justice.

should i be peacefull? if cleric of mishakal - for sure.

but assassin who was trained to kill with one blow, with knives etc - i should battle and kill.

after some conversation (once again) i got new point of life, path of wisdom and calmness. and now i more peacefull and wise. so IC i grow inside myself.

i know i should write my role - but this engine damn it dont save my chapters...

and finally - i think someone can have any opinion on roles, but if his opinion make people uninduct and delete - it s wrong opinion, and immortals should care about such things at first.

if my agressive role as inquizitor of Justice was really wrong - then may be impossible for elf to be inquizitor?

but i was. and i tried to be real inquizitor.

i was elf - and those part of role was for friends and good people. no good attitude to enemies... being inquizitor i didnt  care about those who slay my brothers. who slay my friends, etc. and i really tried to eleminate em.

dont tell me - it s wrong  kill to stop killing, for mishacler it is, but not for assassin.

[Rialon]

Not sure how to comment on this whole thing. Kind of strange order from Arcane Lord i agree. And also Goris was fighting the minotaur, before Drunr arrived and it just so happened that Drunr attacked in between the sparring. So it was more like Drunr helping Goris, not the other way. Though it was pretty much "attack, whomever of the enemies you see first and if you see two attack the greater one" for Drunr. On the other hand, if immortal leader thinks that the mortals leader order is alright, then he has every right to banish the undiciplined member. So as always the story is contraversial and both sides have a point.
To Dehuchka: i always thought, that Inquisitor of Justice is not the same as herecy's inquisitor. It is more about inquiery, from which this word was formed. So it is about solving crime cases and punishing the right people. But it is interesting way to look at this position as effective slayer of foes. 

[ezus]

Sorry boys and girls. This looking as kindergarden. Dervish lost his beloved toy and whine some. From my point of view there is Conclave and Arcane Master.  So they can decide about your appearance in Tower. I am not follow orders blindly, but also i didn't saw any orders. As i came to Tower not to gather heads (shinies perhaps )  i follow my way. I have enemies perhaps, but i will not humt em down cause have a bit another goal. If they came - i will fight. In other cases i prefer travel around. I am not barbarian at least. I am just elf and i like all livin. With no exceptions.

P.S. A bit more. Sorry, but nothing personal. All that i needed from Goris as clanmate this is sanctuary over golem when some bloodthirsty persons come to Tower with their ambitions. No less, no more. Just protect golem.

Ithail

[ukka]

Goris, why not to say - We're in Tower for knowledge, so I'd like to know how those chromatic things bursting with devastating magic. Some experiments would be fine, you know. And it was perfect situation to grab this set. Dot.
 
Pure rp of mad scientist