Items to downtune

[Durewn]

for instance ?

Xonoth had acid knife and bakali dagger dualed in log.

Lim one and unlimited daggers.

And that is because i have no thuilor one, this is just because of highest level poison amoung daggers I can acces. Not because of the average or something. Of course I would use another one when will get better. Just flameslinger useless against renx ;-)

generaly I disagree... in current saves system we need more unlimeted items like fur cloak. the current set is enough for abjurer, cleric or fighter for those who can selfbuff. But thief,  for example cannot come close to 20 vs all in current nonlim set, and going against anybody with less then 30 - insane idea.

This is more complex problem, that comes from saves system. I would like if you make more such gear as fur cloak as an options to reequip after full loot.(or partial, to fill empty slots).

[Geryon]

As Renx I fought all midranks with 15-20 saves, and did well enough.

[moq]

@ bluesky

>I didnt notice anything overpowering there

what about the stuff from malrauthin itself?

>So you can find yourself wenturing down and up the caves for 3 hours of rl to find out that there' no orb.

there is the way to find out that the orb has been already taken

[Nierth]

so you guys are discussing quests here?

[arre]

you do not need saves vs all against one opponent, just saves vs one or rarely two magic types.
It is possible to get decent values (30?) vs one magic type even in not limited stuff.

[Durewn]

As Renx I fought all midranks with 15-20 saves, and did well enough.

Let me remind you, that you mostly fought fighterlikes. when you fought Tiax you got paralysed pretty fast and forced to teleport.
Of course you need no saves against thief or warrior 

and on mid ranks pople have no 3rd feat. ( double spellpen)

[bluesky]

so you guys are discussing quests here?

we are duscussing about bugs in quests.

[bluesky]

there is the way to find out that the orb has been already taken

prolly, but what if your doing this quest for the first time?

[bluesky]

and on mid ranks pople have no 3rd feat. ( double spellpen)

that 's why you have counter feat - take 3 arcane defense, 3,4,5 saves ie 12 svs.
who takes combat casting, he cant take 3rd (strongest) spell penet.

[Tanis Half-Elven]

[offtop] which reminded me  to kill Tanis because mob is giving you quest even if they do not have orb, which is opposite from quest from Lorana, for example, which was done nicely, when unicorn necklace is taken, she simply shuts up and doesnt give quest. So you can find yourself wenturing down and up the caves for 3 hours of rl to find out that there' no orb.  [/offtop]

This is not a bug, or a mistake.

[deda]

while downtuning our beloved bakali spear etc. maybe you'll find time to look into those abusing OBVIOUS bug that you can cast aura on wall and  HEAL it?... It's a good thing Kobe reported archery ambush bug, but it doesn't go into my head why he kept quiet about this.

[arre]

it's not bug.
while you breaking wall from one side, cleric put bricks from another :E