Solentra vs Erty and Elestel behind Erty's back or vise versa

[arpade]

ps, to elestel, imho, it IS unhonorable to enter a battle when two other foes are already participating, unless you atack both at the same time or something, to not show favoretism, besides, if someone is having a hell of a work to raid, and you jump in and take the last blow, its as lame as someone killing a mob for a item for hours and you jumping up and getting the items. Unhonorable.

[Crusader]

Arpade, make split among mortal enemies and enemies. I have my point of view what does mean to be a knight of Solamnia. I do not hop aroud and kill any evil on sight. Yes, I looted you as I have reason to do it. Not just because I like to loot. And if you do not see it that doesn't mean I will show it that you got the point.  You have your brains to  find out. Wanna honour? Fight with weapons that  your enemy use - hands.
Bloodthirsty? Mortal enemies must be nailed not chatting. Enought of this. I do not want to explain more about it. I always trying to undertand others but seems that others can't see far thier nose. All were explained in my role section and were approved.
About methods that use assassins. You know any soldier hate sniper. Guess why? But still it's takes much more honour to work alone in emeies location. Do you think it's much more honorable to wear heavy armor take huge club and crush all around with brute force?

[Crusader]

Plus, many focus thier atention only on organization and title and completely forget about roles of races.

[arpade]

roles of races? *shrug* i read only 3 dragonlance books, in them, elves took time and work to trust solamnia, so, by race, i dont see justification for a bloodthirsty solamnic elf. As far as i know.
you said you have your point of view on what makes a knight of solamnia. I probably misexpressed myself when i posted my note. yopu can rp what you want, but, i tried to say that, when your are in a clan you have to rp the clan. my point is you CANT have YOUR point of view on solamnia. you ahve to play the solamnia given to you. solamnia = honorable. you cant say " ahh but MY solamnic knight does what he wants" and just go and play it and expect it to be ok.
regarding weapons. if, for a example, your got full looted and i atacked to raid, i would agree it would be honorable that i take off my armor to battle you. Now saying that its unhonorable to fight a unarmed specialist with a weapon, your just giving out a lame and unvalid argument. makes no sense at all. the point of disarming yourself to fight a unarmed foe is to fight as his level of skill. if his HIGHEST skill IS unarmed, you find the best sword you have and drill tia asainst it, no complains about it.
I agree mortal enemies must be fought against, killed, you ahve to defeat them and bring your objectives and stop theirs etc. but its HOW its done that differs. You think machiavelicly, the objectives justifies the means. if the evil dies its ok. GOOD aligned chars take a look at the means, your NOT doing greater good with a chaotic slaughter. basic philosophy, go read something.
eh.. about your sniper thing, i really did not understand what you said and see no relation with it with anything at all, really.

[deda]

What I want to add is: you cannot fight evil using their tactics and techniques... Solamnia is about virtue, courage, sacrifice... Sturm sacrificed himself for the greater good... I agree with the trophy idea, but it would be more fair if you got it after killing Erty who had powers on him... It would be 1vs1 and let the best man win... This way, it leaves the bad taste in mouth... But it's my own opinion, and don't be offended by it... One more question: after Erty raided without GoS, why didn't you reraid?

[Quino]

ps, to elestel, imho, it IS unhonorable to enter a battle when two other foes are already participating, unless you atack both at the same time or something, to not show favoretism, besides, if someone is having a hell of a work to raid, and you jump in and take the last blow, its as lame as someone killing a mob for a item for hours and you jumping up and getting the items. Unhonorable.

I agree, but Erty attacked me outside and I attacked him as well.
When I entered keep, I tried not to spent time on Erty but to kill dragon as fast as I can.

[Matthew]

But Quino Solentra killed you honourably, and then he looted items(which im not yet sure was the right thing to do).

[Quino]

Ghm he looted me on reraid as I remember.

[Crusader]

One more question: after Erty raided without GoS, why didn't you reraid?

I did.

[Crusader]

Ghm he looted me on reraid as I remember.

I think it doesn't matter then you were killed. The matter is only how to take things. I take things what I need and if where are more things I leave the rest after a few were taken. Where is one exeption sometimes I take whole set of weapons. But it has reason. When I killed Phallen I've took nothing and asked for a prize, he refused. It's up to him. When I assassinated Korkak I returned all his nice axes. When I killed Ery I didn't just type get all corpse I looked and took what I needed.  Solentra do not takes things during time of combat. Even when enemy fall and where is other around, things will not be take until battle will finish and enemy side retreated. When I killed Arpade on reraid and after on raid I didn't take anything too but easly could type get all corpse. I examined it first but Arpade came and got all. I do not stock my pokets with any possible things that have value.

To Arpade: I've got your point. But you didn't get mine. Solentra do not kill chaoticly.

[shappa]

After all those years where did we come to?
Most immortals punish for looting, 99% of players scream on forum about looting.

Do we really need pk? Isn't it nice when there are only stuff-holders who don't fight each other? What is next

[lincher]

You should be able to loot and this has nothing to do with RP of Solamnia/Takhisis knights. Of cause, if you are Solamnic/Takh you can not do something like get all corpse; put all sack; get all corpse, since this is a sign of greed. But you can grab couple of items as trophy, if you wish and if this is not forbidden by your role. Just my 2 cents

[kender]

Got out of the streem seems. Understand nothing.

Heretic came for reraid. Was killed and grabbed some items.
He came again together with Takhisis mage.
Actually cooperating together they raided.

Another point of view. Heretic allowed mage to assist him against assassin, hand-fighting one.

Dark mage, who also has his code of honour, interfered to battle between his both enemy clan representatives. Enemy of my enemy is my friend even if he is my enemy even if my community attacks his community??


Well it's happens. It's wildly out of RolePlay, it's crazy to imagine in Krynn, but it's real life and it happened. OOC or some another bullsh*t, no matter. Or just they both  concentrated on attacking Solamnia, and forgot for their honour, clan rules and roles.
I understand it.

I cannot understand another thing. Why everybody here reading the log spamming 'looting its bad', and saying about RP say nothing about it? It's private Solentra-Erty relationships to loot or not to loot and how much to loot each other corpses. No need to publish it and discuss. Not businness of every long nose on the forum.
 
 But severe violation of clan rules and bla bla bla they did - what the hell  nobody sees it? Blames it? Are you all blind ?

 Ok. It's ok they did. Next time probably allow them group together ? To reraid. Or raid even. After that allow Solentra and Elestiel find third neutral and group against Erty. Etc etc etc. Let make groups of heretics and takhisis servants. That attack each other before for one round to have possibility to claim it, then group and attack anybody.
Nonsense nonsense nonsense.

[arpade]

to crusader... i guess i didint get your point...
to everyone whom made this a loot discussion, i have no problem with looting, i think pk/loot gives the game important adrenalin, and i like it. And, though as i remember in one occasion i died to you, i beleive you did loot , its not teh point. i was discussing posture. Once i reraided against two solamnics, a knight i dont see anymore, and dont remember his name, and a cleric, thulga i think.
they battled one at a time, demonstrated honor, etc. Its not like they didint fight me like a enemie, but that, for example, is not a posture i see Solentra taking, and that i beleive is fundamental to a knight of solamnia. Just a example (and i am making assumptions, im just passing the idea i had of solentra untill now). I might not actualy know all his rp, and have only seen a superficial part, but im telling you what ive seen, and the rp you demonstrates is also important (the more visible part in contrast with the occult aspects of a char show what he is more secrative or personal about and a more social side). I dont think ive expressed myself well in this end, but, whatever...
to kender- I find it possible for elestel and erty have rp motives to not priorize eachother. I think you made to much a fuss of it, but you might be right and me wrong. As I said, i think its just somewhat unhonorable.

PS: salutes crusader for the rational discussion (i think many would have been insulted and replied agressively, rather then logcaly, when criticized)

[Matthew]

I dont think its really out of role for Erty to ignore or compete against elestels attacks apon solamnia's inner guard. Erty is no minotaur to be insulted he is a kender to take advantage of a situation which could have otherwise resulted in his demise. As Quino said, they clashed outside the keep as they should and once inside it became a competition on who would slay the dragon. If either had left the fight the other would surely have taken the relic. I would be unhappy if Erty or Elestel did not try to raid the other when it was done.

Arpade: Yeah the knight was Gorame, he was a great knight.

[Proph]

Wait a second here.... we're arguing about the RolePlay ethics of a KENDER warlord of the heretics! Does that seem ridiculous to anyone else? If immortals will allow him to break kender's nature by joining a clan and following orders well enough to become the leader of said clan, why can't he cooperate with Takhisis?

[Lady Lunitari]

Wait for reboot and look at help kender.

I see nothing bad in taking some trophies. In any battle.
I see nothing bad if two clans accept fullooting in their war by some pact. (exept Solamnia and Takhisis, they will never make such pact, wont they?)
If you see Solamnic Knight attacks in a city - pray. We cannot watch every moment of your life.
And if you never loot, do not wait for such actions from every player and do not point - I have never taken any item, why could he?-

[kender]

I dont think its really out of role for Erty to ignore or compete against elestels attacks apon solamnia's inner guard. Erty is no minotaur to be insulted he is a kender to take advantage of a situation which could have otherwise resulted in his demise

dont wanna argue, just to mention Erty - heretic ... well i imagine him heretic more then a kender. His title shows it. As he's heretic he has to take their code of honour. No matter his race at all.

Maybe it's possible to accept the situation. But. If here are attacks of Erty to Elestiel and contrary. If it be battle 1x1x1, not 2x1 like the log showed.

[Matthew]

Lol since when do heretics have a code of honour?