Massacre

[Critic]

Example? Easy.

For example Erty, like all kenders, likes shines.

When shinies does something uncommon things - Erty is in extase.

Shinies with special abilities could be of two types - magic and non-magic.

Heretics allow its members to make uncommon things with it's weapon.

Erty likes these tricks.

Also this kender doesn't like so much cause own troubles (even Tasselhoff didn't like magic undeads, deadfull magic of Raistlin, etc.)

So he prefers to look at non-magic tricks, than magic.

Heretics allow him to do it.

Does it his troubles Tower and others attacked him first?

Does it his troubles Urimarr recruited just curious kender who seeked interesting abilities?

I can bring you examples Keeno is riloplaying curious kender much more than Solamnic too.

And he is roleplaying very well, and Erty is trying to do it well too.

And I repeat, if you can't see their roleplay - it doesn't mean there is no it.

[Niano]

Heh. Got nothing against kenders personally. I like em. Its just come on. Kender in solamnia= flags and alarms for me. Kenders not highly trained soldier devoted to cause of good and erradication of all evil and darkness, which is main goal of solamnia. And kenders do not hate. Kenders are not cold blooded killers. Kender are amused and entertained by magic, not want to destroy it all. Kenders do not belong in herecy either for those reasons. I'm just saying you cannot play kender heretic or kender solamnic. Its either kender OR solamnic. or Kender OR heretic. Impossible to blend the two. Yes i've been around keeno lots, yes i've been around erty some. Erty is a heretic, keeno is a kender. Erty is not a kender, keeno is not a solamnic. Things so outrageously out of rp kinda irritate me.

[Niano]

Example? Easy.

For example Erty, like all kenders, likes shines.

When shinies does something uncommon things - Erty is in extase.

Shinies with special abilities could be of two types - magic and non-magic.

Heretics allow its members to make uncommon things with it's weapon.

Erty likes these tricks.

Also this kender doesn't like so much cause own troubles (even Tasselhoff didn't like magic undeads, deadfull magic of Raistlin, etc.)

So he prefers to look at non-magic tricks, than magic.

Heretics allow him to do it.

Does it his troubles Tower and others attacked him first?

Does it his troubles Urimarr recruited just curious kender who seeked interesting abilities?

I can bring you examples Keeno is riloplaying curious kender much more than Solamnic too.

And he is roleplaying very well, and Erty is trying to do it well too.

And I repeat, if you can't see their roleplay - it doesn't mean there is no it.

Whole point of herecy is to destroy magi and priests. If erty does not try to do that, he is not a heretic soldier. And you don't seem to get it. Keeno may rp a kender and solamnic very well, but at separate times. Show me an example of when she rp's both at once.

[Habbakuk]

Well, I admit there is some point in Niano's words, kenders belonging to major clans are too hard to role-play and no one truly succeeded yet.

You role-play a happy blabbing thing, but when the time comes to hack and slash, raid and reraid, you do it forgetting about your role as long as you are clanned. Breaking clan rules means uninduction; however, following all clan rules and becoming too orderly means breaking RP of kenders, to some extent. And it seems that this contradiction is driving people to distraction sometimes.

[Niano]

Thank you. So next question. Is anything going to be done about it?

[Critic]

Let you be a teacher.

In institute you are serious, strict, don't touch coll girls, etc.

After hard work you go to somem party. You drink beer, vodka, smoke plan, f*ck girls, etc.

And you are the same man.

And the same situation in clans. You do what you want in free time, but when you are attacked - you answer. When you are raided - you reraid to return abilities (for example in case of Erty). And so on. So you both kender and solamnic/heretic.

What's wrong?  

[Niano]

Whats wrong? I am human. Not kender. Point proven.

[Nyrl]

Though now Heretics should lose their battles because they can't use any preparations. My previous fighter ONLY with harden skin kicked their asses.

Should this mean that fighter with harden skin should kick ass of fighter with outrage+spellbane/resist? *impressed*
Btw, it is a bit harder to get sanc now.

[Niano]

Imms? Anything to say before you kick kenders outta warders,heretics,solamnia, guardians, and takhisis?

[Niano]

TOWER TOO!!! god forbid i leave that out. Who knows what we'll have on our hands.

[Habbakuk]

After we finish the alpha version of New Laws & Rules, I think we shall create a corresponding topic on the forum - all suggestions would be considered and the most reasonable would be added. Just wait a bit.

[Matthew]

Even a kender in entropy seems wrong to me. They are too dedicated and they also have an evil god for a patron.

[Matthew]

So when you think about it there really needs to be several more clans, and more racial seperation. The instances where races really cooperated radicaly were very rare occasions in the world of krynn. For instance 90% of elves would not spit on a human if he were on fire,  and a kender would only hang around till he was bored or dead. Silvanesti elves view qualinesti elves with disdain, and half elves are despised by all elves as well as human's.

Its been a long time since i read the older dragonlance novels and i only started reading the newer ones recently so correct me if im wrong but i dont think my memory is far off.

[Rialon]

Well, this is why it sais, that Solace is only based on dragonlance. So the only valid things here are the ones in the help files of the game itself, not the ones in books(which are simply guidelines). The help files state that it is alright for different races to cooperate in a clan just on the besis of their common alignment. And it is also clearly stated, that kenders can never be in a clan. Then again, i suppose, some exceptions can be made in all cases. Also, we have to remember, that a single character in a book does not set the roleplay for his whole race. I mean, looking at Tanis, who could ever think, that half-elves can be of evil alignment. And looking at Dalamar, everyone may think that all dark elves are not that bad. Actually, i'm not even sure that there is such a race as dark-elves in Dragonlance. Whereas we have it in the game. More suitble would be elves of evil alignment, but of the same race as the normal elves.

And one more thing, to proove a point about the difference of books and game rules. In the books there such things as dwarf-thief and kender-priest of Morgion. And in the game it is restricted.

[Matthew]

I had a thought after my post as well, the idea of a kender attacking another kender is pretty rediculous. The only instance i can come up with are the 'corrupted kender' but they happen much later in the series than solace seems to be set?

But yeah what you say is true which leads me to another question i came up with after i wrote my post.
What point is this conversation! My cleric is dwarven, its in solamnia, and its a cleric of mishkal. Anymore contradictions and there would be nothing left of me!

[dehucka]

all these preparations...

heretics got their powers for free - without wasting time on preparation. may be allow clan-power wildsourge work against clan-power spellbane?

[unreal]

dehucka... when you'll stop all this whinig??? its annoing damn! 

Lets make a deal.. You'll roll heretic character, and I'll make anyone class which you'll say to me in any cabal  and then I'll show you what is preparations against Herecy? Deal?     


*spits*

[Ghost]

Just remember remember remember-

When you don't have powers, you can still take harden skins, sancs, invisibility, hastes, calm minds, summer winter fires, displacements, blinks, and so on and on...

When a heretic is without powers, he can't use anything at all! No other Clan is so weak without its powers with such tight restrictions. Clans is about stealing powers and reraiding, and I am afraid there is no class that can be weaker than a heretic without powers reraiding. To a wise man, I mean. No matter how cunning the heretic is, they still can only use their skill list, nothing more at all.

[unreal]

indeed.

[Quino]

Just remember remember remember-

When you don't have powers, you can still take harden skins, sancs, invisibility, hastes, calm minds, summer winter fires, displacements, blinks, and so on and on...

When a heretic is without powers, he can't use anything at all! No other Clan is so weak without its powers with such tight restrictions. Clans is about stealing powers and reraiding, and I am afraid there is no class that can be weaker than a heretic without powers reraiding. To a wise man, I mean. No matter how cunning the heretic is, they still can only use their skill list, nothing more at all.

agree absolutely