When Asuimp was in Solamnia, there were no one such bloodthirsty...

[Critic]

When I entered realms - I was raided

Reraiding against Barou and Solentra...

long, about half of hour

after Urimarr entered, reraiding...

Abunai has arrived.
A bristled porcupine has arrived.

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You feel as invincible as you will ever feel.

>1533/1536hp 481/531mn 295/301mv 1651.12946$ 68037< SWD You feel as invincible as you will ever feel.
You yell, 'Help! I am being attacked by a bristled porcupine!'
You dodge a bristled porcupine's bite.
A bristled porcupine is in perfect condition.

sure-sure... raided heretics are too yummy piece of cake
it's normal

Abunai the male gnome is here.
Urimarr has arrived.

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Urimarr makes an attempt to cleave Abunai in half.
Abunai yells, 'Help! Urimarr has just tried to cleave me in half!'
Urimarr's cleave >>> ANNIHILATES <<< Abunai!
Abunai is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Abunai yells, 'Help! Erty has just kicked dirt in my eyes!'
Your kicked dirt grazes Abunai.
Abunai has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: perfect condition   |||   E:Abunai: small wounds
Abunai peers intently north.
Abunai has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: perfect condition   |||   E:Abunai: small wounds
Abunai has turned around, trying to escape!
Urimarr gets one more shot at Abunai while he flees.
Urimarr's devastating blow *** DEVASTATES *** Abunai!
You try to hit Abunai's back, but miss.
Abunai leaves east.
Abunai has fled!

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Abunai has arrived.
A bristled porcupine has arrived.

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Abunai yells, 'Help! Someone is attacking me!'
Urimarr's poisonous bite *** DEVASTATES *** Abunai!

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A bristled porcupine leaves north.

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Urimarr's poisonous bite *** DEVASTATES *** Abunai!
Urimarr's poisonous bite *** DEVASTATES *** Abunai!
Urimarr's poisonous bite *** DEVASTATES *** Abunai!
Abunai is DEAD!!

he got what he wanted

again long-long reraid

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dirt sole
Before a towering iron portcullis

[Exits: east west]
     The corpse of Arpade is lying here.
(Charmed) A young silver dragon is here, fighting Urimarr.
(White Aura) Solentra the male elf is here, fighting Urimarr.
(Charmed) (White Aura) An astral deva is here, fighting Urimarr.
(White Aura) Barou the male dwarf is here, fighting Urimarr.
Urimarr the male minotaur is here, fighting a knight of Solamnia.
(White Aura) A knight of Solamnia is here, fighting Urimarr.

>1426/1441hp 520/531mn 329/336mv 1651.11799$ 63607< EW Solentra yells, 'Die, Erty you dirty fool.'
Your kicked dirt misses Solentra.
Solentra has a few scratches.

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 T:Urimarr: small wounds   |||   E:Solentra: a few scratches
An astral deva's divine power maims Urimarr!
A young silver dragon's claw decimates Urimarr.
Solentra's solamnic plate deflects your acidic bite.
Crit2.
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Solentra hand blocks your poisonous bite.
Deathblow.
The presence of Paladine protects Solentra from your acidic bite.
Solentra's solamnic plate deflects your acidic bite.
Barou's crush devastates Urimarr.
Solentra's scratch MUTILATES Urimarr!
Solentra has a few scratches.

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 T:Urimarr: bleeding wounds   |||   E:Solentra: a few scratches
Barou concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Urimarr yells, 'Help! Someone is casting a spell on me!'
Barou's blast of light MANGLES Urimarr!
Solentra has a few scratches.

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 T:Urimarr: bleeding wounds   |||   E:Solentra: a few scratches
Solentra steps out of the shadows.
Solentra's caltraps mauls Urimarr.
Urimarr starts limping.
An astral deva's divine power maims Urimarr!
An astral deva's divine power maims Urimarr!
Urimarr's riposte *** DEMOLISHES *** a young silver dragon!
A young silver dragon's claw mauls Urimarr.
Urimarr's wrath maims a knight of Solamnia!
Urimarr's wrath maims a knight of Solamnia!
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Solentra uses his shoulder to partially deflect your acidic bite.
Your acidic bite devastates Solentra!
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Barou's crush devastates Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MANGLES Urimarr!
Urimarr's riposte maims a knight of Solamnia!
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Urimarr has turned around, trying to escape!
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Barou smashes Urimarr's head, sending him crashing to the ground.
Barou's crushing blow devastates Urimarr!
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
An astral deva's divine power misses Urimarr.
A young silver dragon's claw decimates Urimarr.
Urimarr's riposte *** DEMOLISHES *** a young silver dragon!
Urimarr's wrath MUTILATES a knight of Solamnia!
Urimarr's wrath MUTILATES a knight of Solamnia!
Your acidic bite MUTILATES Solentra!
Deathblow.
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Solentra dodges your poisonous bite.
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Your acidic bite maims Solentra!
Barou's crush maims Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MANGLES Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MANGLES Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MASSACRES Urimarr!
Urimarr's riposte MUTILATES a knight of Solamnia!
A knight of Solamnia's slash decimates Urimarr.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Solentra steps out of the shadows.
Solentra sends Urimarr sprawling with a powerful bash.
Solentra's bash grazes Urimarr.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Barou's crushing blow misses Urimarr.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds resc uri
You rescue Urimarr!
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: gushing blood   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
An astral deva's divine power maims Urimarr!
An astral deva's divine power devastates Urimarr!
An astral deva's divine power devastates Urimarr!
Crit2.
Your acidic bite DISMEMBERS Solentra!
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Your acidic bite MUTILATES Solentra!
Deathblow.
The presence of Paladine protects Solentra from your poisonous bite.
Urimarr's riposte MUTILATES Barou!
Solentra's scratch MANGLES Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MASSACRES Urimarr!
Urimarr's riposte maims a knight of Solamnia!
A knight of Solamnia's slash decimates Urimarr.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: convulsing   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Barou's crushing blow misses Urimarr.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: convulsing   |||   E:Solentra: small wounds
Urimarr has turned around, trying to escape!
Urimarr leaves west.
Urimarr has fled!
Someone has some small wounds.

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Solentra steps out of the shadows.
Solentra has some small wounds.

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Solentra steps out of the shadows.
Solentra's punch MANGLES you!
Deathblow.
Your acidic bite MASSACRES Solentra!
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Solentra dodges your poisonous bite.
Crit1.
Solentra uses his shoulder to partially deflect your poisonous bite.
Your poisonous bite maims Solentra!
Poison.
You dodge Solentra's punch.
Solentra's punch *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You dodge Solentra's punch.
Solentra is covered in bleeding wounds.

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 T:Erty: small wounds   |||   E:Solentra: bleeding wounds Players near you:
(PK) Erty       Before a towering iron portcullis
(PK) Barou      Before a towering iron portcullis
(PK) Solentra   Before a towering iron portcullis
Solentra is covered in bleeding wounds.

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 T:Erty: small wounds   |||   E:Solentra: bleeding wounds You turn around, trying to escape!
A knight of Solamnia moves to block the passage east.
The eastern part of courtyard

[Exits: north east south]
( 2) A spiked bracer lies on the ground.
( 2) A set of bronze armor lies here.
( 2) Some rusty iron sleeves lay on the ground.
( 2) A large, heavy-looking mace lies on the ground.
( 2) A bronze belt lies on the ground.
( 2) A pair of comfortable gloves lies here.
( 2) A large bronze helm lies here.
     The torn remains of the goblin chieftain are here on a cross.
Urimarr the male minotaur is here.
You flee from combat!
You lose 10 experience points.
A young silver dragon has arrived.

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You aren't fighting anyone.

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The eastern part of courtyard

[Exits: north south]
A tall knight bearing an armor of solamnic order watching for order carefully.
Urimarr has arrived.

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retreat, but...

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Your group:
[35 Fig] Urimarr           11%hp  90%mana  70%mv     0 tnl
[35 Fig] Erty              87%hp 100%mana  84%mv 63617 tnl

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A blacksmith yells, 'Best blades made here, buy ye blades here!'

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Inside the Grand Southern gates of Palanthas
  You are standing at a huge iron gate guarding the western side of
Palanthas. The people of Solamnia place great pride in their capital city
and standing here it is plain to see why. The towering stone walls have
kept out invading armies for centuries, and the city itself is built with
the finest architecture and stonework. To the east you can hear the sounds
of people working on the southen river docks of Palanthas. West of here
runs a narrow street along the towering stone walls of the city, while
north lies the city and south is the southern gate house.

[Exits: north south]
     A plain steel sword is lying here.
Urimarr the male minotaur is here.
A guard is here walking the battlements.
(White Aura) A powerful man-at-arms stands guard over the city.

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Players near you:
(PK) Urimarr    Inside the Grand Southern gates of Palanthas
(PK) Erty       Inside the Grand Southern gates of Palanthas

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Jani the grocer yells, 'Fresh greens for sale! Fresh greens here!'
Your blood cools down.

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You tell the group, 'You was close.'

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Urimarr applies bandages to himself.

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Garent the butcher yells, 'Freshly cut meats, get ya meats here!'

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Urimarr tells the group, 'Aye.'

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Urimarr peers intently south.

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Players near you:
(PK) Urimarr    Inside the Grand Southern gates of Palanthas
(PK) Erty       Inside the Grand Southern gates of Palanthas

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Urimarr peers intently south.

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Urimarr peers intently south.

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Urimarr peers intently south.

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Urimarr peers intently south.
Solentra steps out of the shadows.
Solentra raises his voice, chanting in an ancient tone, 'Giritha laaharklani liritar.'
Urimarr yells, 'Die, Solentra you sorcerous dog!'
A Palanthas man-at-arms exclaims, 'Solentra is fighting in the city! PROTECT THE INNOCENT!'
Solentra's blast of light MANGLES Urimarr!

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Solentra hand blocks your acidic bite.
Deathblow.
Solentra dodges your acidic bite.
Deathblow.
Solentra hand blocks your acidic bite.
Solentra's hands flick your weapon and it snaps back!
Solentra's weapon turning *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
Your acidic bite MUTILATES Solentra!
Solentra's scratch MASSACRES Urimarr!
Solentra's scratch MASSACRES Urimarr!
A battlement guard screams and attacks!
Solentra is covered in bleeding wounds.

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 T:Urimarr: convulsing   |||   E:Solentra: bleeding wounds
Urimarr has turned around, trying to escape!
Urimarr leaves north.
Urimarr has fled!
Solentra is covered in bleeding wounds.

[HERETIC] A huge barbarian: Intruder! Solentra is attacking the Camp! We should purge the evil of the agressor!

attack of barbarian I understand...

but attack in Palanthas...

something wrong with Solamnia now

he has no any respect to enemy, doesn't no any rules and laws...

sigh, sigh...

[Valeria]

That is something the leadership of Solamnia should deal with, I think.  It brings disrepute to their name.

[Matthew]

You might find perhaps this was a trigger, not that it would make this right.

We currently have no mortal leadership cause Grissom died and Keeno (the only rose) hasnt been around for weeks, and i guess i have not been around enough to know whats going on.

[iddqd]

 ******* какого ***** мастереная свинг мейс с огромным хитролом миссает по огромному минотавру ?

why the damn mastered swing mace  with huge HR misses on huge minotaur ?!

[iddqd]

Yes with solamnia is something wrong...
we have no leader .... even immortal one...
but someone still watching for us and stripping clanempowers 
and no one promoting us for heroism! 

[Nierth]

Cute heroism... Attacking in cities.. not as an answer but first attack.

[Matthew]

If we assume Palanthas is where Urimarr and Erty fled to from the keep, making this an answer and definately not a 1st attack, thats what i would be assuming if it was not a trigger and they didnt expect to meet them there. Which is also assumed! Hrrmmmmm.

[novann]

Kinda offtopic but - Arpade, where are ya? When you entering?
I want to enforce Takhisis and never seen ya on evenings on russian time.

[Critic]

he was yesterday evening

[dehucka]

yep!

[Werewolf]

The Solamnic Knights have a strict rule: it is not allowed to attack in the cities, including the case when you chase the enemies who stroke first. Everything lawbreaking is forbidden, even if there are no guardians around to punish you.

In the time of my grandmastership every new squire was informed about this rule, but it seems that the one who inducted Barou and Solentra forgot to do so.

Poorly written triggers can't be an excuse if they make you to break your role and rules. You are not a quake bot, after all. Rule violation is not a heroism, but should lead to punishments and uninduction. Mind, you are Crown knights, the lowest position in Order, so you have to prove your loyalty and obedience (at least) to advance.

Solamnia is given pretty much of clan powers be able to fight honorably and to obey some simple rules. If one in Solamnia cannot control his bloodthirst, he chose the wrong cabal.

[Critic]

That was I meant, Werewolf, read my thoughts 

[Crusader]

The Solamnic Knights have a strict rule: it is not allowed to attack in the cities, including the case when you chase the enemies who stroke first. Everything lawbreaking is forbidden, even if there are no guardians around to punish you.

Disagree totaly. Solamnia fights for Heavenly Justice not for laws.

[Ares]

What are you talking about?

It is very easy to remember about honour and laws when it's convenient for you.

Solamnics are not Guardians. Period. They are allowed to attack in cities.


Or do you think that in Dragonlance series if Solamnic Knights saw a draconian, goblin or minotaur in Palanthas they would let him go? No, they'd try to arrest him, and if he would fight - they would kill him. Simple as that.


Returning to Solace it is questionable whether Solamnic Knight should attack first in the city unprovoked, probably not, since they are lawful, but if the violence is already started, undoubtedly he has such right.

[Niano]

Here, lets end this. Solamnics must be lawful. Therefor if you are a solamnic, you are lawful. As a lawful, it breaks rp completely to initiate fight in city. Solamnics fight for heavenly justice yes, but never ever have i known the to be allowed to fight in city. In all the times i've been a solamnic, i've always been told, from an rp stance, to flee outside of city, even if you overpower your opponent, so as to make sure no innocent citizens are harmed in the battle.

[Critic]

agree, my point.

[Werewolf]

To Ares:

The question about solamnics attacking in the cities was considered long ago. I got direct instructions about it from Habbakuk, who is the immortal leader of Solamnia. Period.

I am not going to argue on other points,  I just say that the knightly behavior is not about slaying every evil person on sight.

[Habbakuk]

Actually, Solamnic Knights are not supposed to attack in cities.

A lot of contradictions arise around.. hopefully a lot of things will settle down when we finish Rules.

[Critic]

Knightly behaviour...

Well, it could be different

Someone can heal everyone not-evil

Another can slay ALL evils without mercy, it's a RP too

Another can even slay every neutral and good who unites with evil or got help from him or helped him

But all of them must obey laws, one of them - do not attack in cities. 

[Ares]

Knight of Solamnia should not initiate battle in city unprovoked - can't agree more - he is lawful after all.

Knight of Solamnia could pursue and attack enemy who's engaged in battle with him in the city, because it makes no sense at all that Heretic (Knight of Takhisis, anyone) can just make camp in protected town and feel himself invincible from Solamnia.
Again, just try to imagine the same situation in the book, Knight of Solamnia battles Knight of Takhisis, latter retreats to city, shall Solamnic turn away and let him go? From the point of common sense, it's nonsense.
In this case Heretics just wanted to make their life easier by safely resting in Palanthas, which is not right.

Anyways, common sense is one thing and rules are another, even if they contradict it. So let's wait new Rules.