Solentra vs Erty and Elestel behind Erty's back or vise versa

[Crusader]

http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/logs/lview2.php?log=26

[Matthew]

Well now we know where rp is going!

[Quino]

Erty got Code as reraid against Elesten is not a problem.

Erty got code because he was lucky to kill dragon before me.

As for 'They both were killed by me and want revenge' - you'd better say They both were looted by me. No comments on behavior of solamnia knight.

[deda]

Anyways, don't you think it would be more fair to wait until Erty's done to come raid?

[deda]

Those gauntlets are going to be the death of you..

[Crusader]

Erty got Code as reraid against Elesten is not a problem.

Erty got code because he was lucky to kill dragon before me.

As for 'They both were killed by me and want revenge' - you'd better say They both were looted by me. No comments on behavior of solamnia knight.

Taking a few things that you use is not a loot. All that I've took from you and Erty I wear by myself. And second, baby you are on war. War is not a duel.

[Matthew]

Hrm, i am under the impression we should not loot an honourable foe.

[Quino]

Hrm, i am under the impression we should not loot an honourable foe.

My point is same

Anyways, don't you think it would be more fair to wait until Erty's done to come raid?

Hey, why should I?

And second, baby you are on war.

I like their source so why should I let Erty to raid?

[Critic]

I don't like to say such words, but, Crusader, you are pathetic scum.
You act like follower of Chaos.
And you break solace's laws, afraid of reraid etc.
In previous times I think there is no one worse than Shapa
Now I know you are just worm (nice word, Chemosh ) and Shapa is a child in this sh*t you're doing.

[Crusader]

And you break solace's laws, afraid of reraid etc.

Sure, sure. But as I remember I came and did it. Didn't I? To made second reraid where were no time for me, that was 3 hours of night.   

[Crusader]

You act like follower of Chaos.

Iteresting?

[Matthew]

Quino: My question was aimed at Crusader. However as a knight you must realize that having a 'dishonourable' foe does not mean act dishonourably yourself.

[Quino]

So far I did not ever (raid reraid duel whatever) looted corpses regardless of foes so I *think* I acted somewhat honourable.

However as a knight you must realize that having a 'dishonourable' foe does not mean act dishonourably yourself.

In Russia they say - Enemy is beaten by his own weapon.

[Proph]

Personally, I don't agree that you can't loot honorable foes. If you take a couple of items that you personally need I really don't see anything wrong with it. Just because Erty or whoever is honorable does that mean he gets to keep the gauntlet of striking/other super-limited items forever? We have to cycle the items around. If Solentra sees an item that is useful for Solamnia that they can obtain no other way, should he leave it in the hands of someone who is trying to destroy their cause?

[Niano]

Exactly Proph. And Quino...this isn't russia. This is solace. Knights act honorably even if foe is dishonorable. Just how it is. Unless you all are minotaurs now...

[deda]

I've seen logs where Erty was fighting more than one Takhisis soldiers, got slain and they touched nothing of his items... Don't you think they needed the GoS as much as you? Your actions are not one of a Knight, imho... At least, if I were in your shoes, I would've not taken anything...

[Lurker]

Hrm, i am under the impression we should not loot an honourable foe.

I reckon that if someone is reraiding, they should not be looted at all if they die. Of course, if they then continue trying to reraid then take some items until they learn - chivalry is not JUST about giving people the benefit of the doubt.

If they are trying to raid, then it's fair game to take one or two items which further the cause of the clan you are in to stop them from raiding. A full loot however I don't think is ever acceptable.

[Crusader]

I've seen logs where Erty was fighting more than one Takhisis soldiers, got slain and they touched nothing of his items... Don't you think they needed the GoS as much as you? Your actions are not one of a Knight, imho... At least, if I were in your shoes, I would've not taken anything...

And I know logs where I fight one vs 3 heretics and got full loot even crap each time when I was killed and as I rember Erty were among them. I've took only what I need. More, I should sacrifice whole set of weapons in addition. I share completely differ point of view on honour and clan wars at all. To win war you have to destroy not only soldiers of your enemy but resources too. Or you wanna test how long will you survive with pike against tank?

[Crusader]

I've seen logs where Erty was fighting more than one Takhisis soldiers, got slain and they touched nothing of his items... Don't you think they needed the GoS as much as you? Your actions are not one of a Knight, imho... At least, if I were in your shoes, I would've not taken anything...

I do not see anything wrong or dishonourable in taking things of your enemy. You seems do not undertsand difference between looting and taking trophies.
And more if a person who is saying this is dishonourable to loot usualy afraid to lost his/her super equipment that's why he/she screams where he/she can about looting like dishonourable things. Sorry guys and girls life is a cruel thing. And it's do not care about your thoughts. Life forces you to do what you have to do to survive. Enemies must be a dust on a road or you will be it. It's simple. Question of honour is how to strike your enemies and face circumstes.

[arpade]

Nothing against the way you want to rp, Crusader you can rp anything you want. but my two cents is that, you being inducted to solamnia was a mistake on the knighthoods part (normall, happens in solace/dragonlance), you being promoted to sword knight was a sign of solamnias downfall and promotion to rose order was clearly a demonstration that Solamnia is nothing of a knighthood. its very simple, you can rp as you want. But a solamic knight is a solamnic knight. there is no discussing, if you dont act knightly your not coherent with your part and pronto. IMHO, assassins should at most be allowed crown position in solamnia, and even for that must prove alot, just because their mothods are unknightly (assassinate strangle), as it says on help.
you have strength of a solamnic surely, and courage (when icly you fight all foes given you, if necissary- though your smart enough not to join realms when its overwhelming).
But your bloodthirsty as hell and not to honorable on my view. When i played with arpade and tried to reraid against you... you looted if i died and had anything of value (arpade almost never looted anybody till the day he died- and most of his life ordered other knights to do the same- exeption was jaslar from herecy, because when he was young heretics slayed him 3vs1 and full looted/sac- as you said happened to you). You followed to the city, atacked there. etc etc etc.
basicly, my point is, you cant face good and evil as simply two sides that kill eachother. goods point is kill evils, evil's point is kill goods. there is all a motivation rp and situation involved in each one, and to me, you just pk the oposite align, and thats a unworthy attitude to the highest ranking knight of the representative organization of goodness in krynn.