they raid us many times faster than we reraid :(

[knarl]

<743/743hp 958/958m 275/320mv 819680tnl | [EWU]>  At the foot of snowy mountains

[Exits: east west]
     A skeleton of a fox is lying here in a puddle of decayed flesh.

<743/743hp 958/958m 273/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  Entrance to the camp of Heretics

[Exits: east west]
Sevecen the male minotaur is here.
A heavily muscled barbarian stands guard over the camp.
Someone slips from the shadows and hurls a knife towards your throat.
Your throat is slashed but the knife misses your jugular vein!
Korly steps out of the shadows.
Korly's assassination attempt maims you!
Korly is in perfect condition.

<701/637hp 958/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  Beautiful, mystical incantation comes out of your lips.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame *** DEMOLISHES *** a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame *** DEMOLISHES *** a huge barbarian!
A huge barbarian is surrounded by a dull blue light, but it fades without affect.
Korly is in perfect condition.

<701/637hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
A fox sniffs at the ground and looks about confused.
Sevecen lets out a cry of outrage!
Korly dodges your shocking bite.
Korly dodges your shocking bite.
You blink away from a huge barbarian's punch.
You parry a huge barbarian's punch.
Korly's eyes burn with cold fury!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Korly's punch.
Korly's punch decimates you.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Korly's punch.
You parry Korly's punch.
Sevecen lets out a cry of outrage!
A fox's ironskin cracks under the blows!
Sevecen delivers a blow of deadly force!
A fox's ironskin cracks under the blows!
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
A fox's ironskin cracks under the blows!
A fox's bite maims Sevecen!
A fox's bite maims Sevecen!
A fox's bite maims Sevecen!
A fox's bite MUTILATES Sevecen!
A fox's bite maims Sevecen!
Korly is in perfect condition.

<671/637hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen's crush misses a fox.
Korly is in perfect condition.

<671/637hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  fleeYou turn around, trying to escape!
At the foot of snowy mountains

[Exits: east west]
     A skeleton of a fox is lying here in a puddle of decayed flesh.
You flee from combat!

<671/637hp 918/958m 271/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  wEntrance to the camp of Heretics

[Exits: east west]
Sevecen the male minotaur is here.
Korly the male human is here.
A heavily muscled barbarian stands guard over the camp.

<671/637hp 918/958m 270/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  c firechain ba
A fox sniffs at the ground and looks about confused.
Sevecen's acidic bite misses a fox.

<671/637hp 918/958m 270/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  You intone an ancient mystical chant.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame MANGLES a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame *** DEMOLISHES *** a huge barbarian!
Someone slips from the shadows and hurls a knife towards your throat.
Your throat is slashed but the knife misses your jugular vein!
Korly steps out of the shadows.
Korly's assassination attempt MUTILATES you!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<628/637hp 878/958m 270/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  c firechain ba
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite misses a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite misses a huge barbarian.
You parry a huge barbarian's punch.
You parry a huge barbarian's punch.
You blink away from Korly's punch.
Korly's punch mauls you.
You parry Korly's punch.
Korly's punch decimates you.
Sevecen's acidic bite misses a fox.
Sevecen's acidic bite misses a fox.
A fox's bite devastates Sevecen.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
Sevecen delivers a blow of deadly force!
Sevecen's acidic bite *** DEMOLISHES *** a fox!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<596/637hp 919/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  fleeYou raise your voice into an ancient incantation.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame MASSACRES a huge barbarian!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<596/637hp 879/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  fleefleefleeflee
Korly steps out of the shadows.
Korly tries to hit your throat, but misses.
Korly's tiger claw decimates you.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<572/637hp 879/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
A fox has turned around, trying to escape!
Sevecen gets one more shot at a fox while he flees.
Sevecen's devastating blow DISEMBOWELS a fox!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<572/637hp 879/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen slams a fox to the ground with bone crushing force!
Sevecen's body crush decimates a fox.
Sevecen takes hold of a fox and grinds him against the ground.
Sevecen's ground control MASSACRES a fox!
A huge barbarian parries your shocking bite.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
You blink away from a huge barbarian's punch.
A huge barbarian's punch mauls you.
A huge barbarian gets a wild look in his eyes.
Korly's punch decimates you.
You blink away from Korly's punch.
Korly's punch mauls you.
Korly's punch decimates you.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Korly's punch.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
A fox's bite misses Sevecen.
Sevecen delivers a blow of deadly force!
Sevecen's riposte *** DEMOLISHES *** a fox!
A fox's bite devastates Sevecen.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<743/743hp 958/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  You recite a sweet mystical verse.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame MASSACRES a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame MASSACRES a huge barbarian!
A huge barbarian is surrounded by a dull blue glow as magic is ripped and disrupted!
A fox sniffs at the ground and looks about confused.
Searing red flames leap from your halo!
Your searing flame decimates a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian parries your shocking bite.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian's punch wounds you.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts a huge barbarian's punch.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
A fox's bite maims Sevecen!
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen looks at Jaago.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen looks at Jaago.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Korly says, 'Darkened.'
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen lashes out wildly with his arms but misses.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Searing red flames leap from your halo!
Your searing flame decimates a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite mauls a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is struck by lightning from sizzling talon of an ancient blue wyrm.
You parry a huge barbarian's punch.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts a huge barbarian's punch.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts a huge barbarian's punch.
Sevecen's acidic bite misses a fox.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
Sevecen's acidic bite strikes for a fox, but he isn't there.
A fox's bite misses Sevecen.
A fox's bite misses Sevecen.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 918/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  c firechain barYou raise your voice into an ancient incantation.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame *** DEVASTATES *** a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame DISMEMBERS a huge barbarian!
A huge barbarian is surrounded by a dull blue light, but it fades without affect.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 878/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
A fox has turned around, trying to escape!
Sevecen gets one more shot at a fox while he flees.
Sevecen's devastating blow MASSACRES a fox!
A fox has fled!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 878/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Korly's bash seems to slide around you.
You yell, 'Help! Korly strikes me!'
Korly's bash misses you.
You yell, 'Help! Sevecen is attacking me!'
Sevecen lets out a cry of outrage!
You blink away from Sevecen's acidic bite.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<730/743hp 878/958m 272/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Searing red flames leap from your halo!
Your searing flame decimates a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian's punch misses you.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts a huge barbarian's punch.
Korly's punch mauls you.
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Korly's punch.
You parry Korly's punch.
Korly's punch mauls you.
You blink away from Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen lets out a cry of outrage!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen delivers a blow of deadly force!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen's acidic bite misses you.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<702/743hp 930/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  c firechain bar
Jaago looks at a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<702/743hp 930/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  You intone an ancient mystical chant.
You draw heat from your fireshield and chain it into a blast of flame.
Your blast of flame MANGLES a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame *** DEMOLISHES *** a huge barbarian!
Heat from your fireshield chains onto the blast.
Your blast of flame DISMEMBERS a huge barbarian!
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<702/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
Korly hits your throat, making you gasp.
Korly's tiger claw mauls you.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<684/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Jaago looks at a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is writhing in agony.

<684/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Searing red flames leap from your halo!
Your searing flame decimates a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is struck by lightning from sizzling talon of an ancient blue wyrm.
Your shocking bite injures a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian's punch mauls you.
You blink away from a huge barbarian's punch.
A huge barbarian's punch wounds you.
You parry Korly's punch.
You parry Korly's punch.
Korly's punch misses you.
You parry Sevecen's acidic bite.
You blink away from Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen lets out a cry of outrage!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen delivers a blow of deadly force!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Sevecen's acidic bite.
A fox's bite devastates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite misses a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<656/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  c firechain barYour throat is hurt too much for that.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<656/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Sevecen tries to do something fancy with his swords but fails.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<656/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Jaago looks at a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<656/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
A fox sinks his teeth into a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<656/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]> 
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
Your shocking bite wounds a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is struck by lightning from sizzling talon of an ancient blue wyrm.
You blink away from a huge barbarian's punch.
You parry a huge barbarian's punch.
Korly's eyes burn with cold fury!
The spectral hand hovering over you intercepts Korly's punch.
Korly's punch misses you.
fleeKorly's punch misses you.
Sevecen's acidic bite DISEMBOWELS you!
Sevecen's acidic bite MUTILATES you!
You parry Sevecen's acidic bite.
Sevecen's acidic bite MUTILATES you!
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite devastates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A fox's bite decimates a huge barbarian.
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<507/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  You turn around, trying to escape!
Sevecen tries to hit your back while you fleeing, but misses.
A huge barbarian moves to block the passage west.
PANIC! You couldn't escape!
A huge barbarian is convulsing on the ground.

<507/743hp 890/958m 320/320mv 819680tnl | [EW]>  fleeYou turn around, trying to escape!
Sevecen tries to hit your back while you fleeing, but misses.
At the foot of snowy mountains

[Habbakuk]

Strange they don't equip barbarian.. though they might just not need it.

[knarl]

Strange they don't equip barbarian.. though they might just not need it.

russian: как страшно жить ...

with assassinate affect i should sleep 5 hours till it wear off - it's madness to come back with 600hp !

so: all tower mages should pick 3 times toughen if they want to live.

my vision: tower vs heretics are unbalanced. if enemy raided: reraider will die with 80% probability. is it funny ?

invokers on reraid - very funny thing (even with animated 35th rank weapon).

i have logs of raiding them ... me and abjur ... we spent nearly 20 minutes of RL ...

ps log request from any caster who reraid vs hericy with protectors.

[unreal]

you missed one thing:

How about reraid of powerless Heretic against tower mages? 
think about it and you'll understand that all things are well balanced.

[sevecen]

you missed one thing:

How about reraid of powerless Heretic against tower mages? 
think about it and you'll understand that all things are well balanced.

thanks.well saying.

[knarl]

you missed one thing:

How about reraid of powerless Heretic against tower mages? 
think about it and you'll understand that all things are well balanced.

you'r tryed to type faster: but should read carefully. your sarcasm missed

my vision: tower vs heretics are unbalanced. if enemy raided: reraider will die with 80% probability. is it funny ?

it should be read as:

enemy = [tower | heretics]
reraider = [tower | heretics]

i know that only assassin could survive with vanish when wall set (till there is no abjurer) this is 20% (here lucky strangle, jack, dirtkick (for transmuters with no areaspells))

sometime tower could reraid when heretics have no acidic or poison weapons ...

[knarl]

anyway: heretics have chance to survive
vs trans
vs invoker with wall in affects (second attempt)
vs necros with failed sleep (most dangerous i suppose)

tonns of health will help to survive
nice damage (if not naked) will help to reraid faster

seems warpaint made it (i'm talking about tower)
for other: it's compensation for new outrage/resist

may be remove this skill when heretics holds tome ?

anyway, speed of raid "herecy vs tower" and vice veser VERY DIFFERENT.

mages don't even think to raid with protector !! only one time raid was successful.

PS tiger claw with 2 hours affect mades me thick !!
PPS clawed archmage - no more than is peace of meat.

[strange_dude]

you missed one thing:

How about reraid of powerless Heretic against tower mages? 
think about it and you'll understand that all things are well balanced.

No, they arnt. Its quiet easy for heretic fighter to raid against tower invoker, and its impossible to do the opposite thing. So if at the very begining they both arnt raided it is invoker who will die, die, and die at the very end.
Other sucking mage is abjurer, in past he used to be cool against heretics, now with warpaint he definetely sucks.

[ukka]

Some tips to reraids as Tower invoker:
1. Use lower resist fire. Ye, it takes 2 rounds, but helps a lot (if you do not dispel it with spellripper  
2. Use weapon with high ave and ignite on. I've usually used ice horn, it damages pretty good
3. Use mount, god damn (enlarged if ye have transmutter near)
4. Use all the preps you have (wraithform, displacement, haste and so on)

All above is imho  

[knarl]

Some tips to reraids as Tower invoker:
1. Use lower resist fire. Ye, it takes 2 rounds, but helps a lot (if you do not dispel it with spellripper  
2. Use weapon with high ave and ignite on. I've usually used ice horn, it damages pretty good
3. Use mount, god damn (enlarged if ye have transmutter near)
4. Use all the preps you have (wraithform, displacement, haste and so on)

All above is imho  

1. i'm afraid of 2 round lags when reraiding vs them and spellripper rocks. especially on outers (they are very low ranks - works perfect)
2. it's tough when you full-looted. horn was stolen years ago
3. enlarged.
3,4 have you seen Alantas male wild-elf, son of rokfeller ? i should constantly get moneys !! when to have fun from playing ?

[sevecen]

hmm what do you think about tower necros?

[master]

tower necro prolly kills barb in few secs.
by the way as i could see,  you mages are holding well against those heretics
some time ago warlord was making 600 hps damage with one hit, but you get only DISMEBLOWEL (`60HPS). What to say, hit barb, recall, hit recall and so on, use fact they cant heal him...

[kalit]

Outer guards was changed some.
Necros can`t kill barbarian in "few seconds".
Also with new warpaint necros army is useless, cause can`t hit enemy.
I saw some fight with herecy by necros - no way, heretics just stay and hit necros with direct attack.

[Moon_Face]

I said that idea before, but let me repeat it here:

I offer to let necromancer animate only one undead of each kind. One skeleton, one zombie, one mummy and one dracolich, but make them a bit smarter. Skeletons may dirt, zombies may be a copy in slice of abilities of a mob they made from (no much hp, but with spells and skills which mob had), mummy may curse and plague, dracolich may use tail in battle and some sort of magic. Let necromancer equip his minions to not hit always with physical. As a result we exclude cases of death in round and cases with total uneffect to necro. The life will become more curious. Necromancer will gain an interest to slay megamob to animate it. His battles will become much more interesting.

[Mercinea]

Just had a picture in my mind of mummies and zombies of king of vargin shih breathing gas and doing unspeakables. <shudder>

[sevecen]

Mummy of troll king. gas breath every round.YAY!!

[Nuitari]

Tower archmage is being thoroughly schooled by me in using his spells the right way. i.e. - don't kill himself with raider's spellbane. As soon as I finish, Heretics will hopefully have as much fun raiding Tower as an invoker/transmuter has raiding Herecy 

[sevecen]

i saw alantas with displacement, wraith form(i think there is a potion or a wand), sanctuary, blink, shimmering potion also with his shields...he can kick easly one of us and fearie familiar heals him too.it seems if a tower mage prepared well then it is not as easy as you talk. please imagine that heretic fighter without spellbane.he would be a piece of meat for them.
and while we havent got clan power then it is just one ice wall nearby iron golem and die easly.
about transmuters: being lion and raking claw and blind, turning stag and disarm us and turning back to normal form and sacrificing our weapons...

necros: i dont think that need to say something about them.Mummies always hit much on you.

in my opinion, the worse clan members are heretics while they havent got their clan powers..(spellbane is a miracle )

[strange_dude]

Outer guards was changed some.
Necros can`t kill barbarian in "few seconds".
Also with new warpaint necros army is useless, cause can`t hit enemy.
I saw some fight with herecy by necros - no way, heretics just stay and hit necros with direct attack.

war_paint is way too cool, one paint allows to totaly devastate abjurers, other is critical for necroarmy and so on. There are two ways - allow tower mages to avoid paint features (cause tower is main enemy of heretics) or crap tune paints down somehow.
 

[Quino]

i saw alantas with displacement, wraith form(i think there is a potion or a wand), sanctuary, blink, shimmering potion also with his shields...

Now imagine how much time he spills to get potions for 10 ticks preparations. He needs water breath for displacement, support for wraithform; 460 gold for every 5 tick toughen; with their powers. And his spells are reflected by inquisitor spellbane.

Noone argues, prepared invoker is a deathmachine; but so much time needed to rock for 10 ticks....