Faith and Firepower

[Rionne]

Lazy to log in and play, I'll post logs too!


http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/logs/lview2.php?log=130

[Rionne]

Umm, I'm just impressed with enhanced fireball's damage (even after lower resist), I thought I was pretty safe with resist/sanc/protect evil.

Small question, it's alright for lawful characters to counterattack if the guildhall is attacked, right? I always did that but noticed that this time cityguards treated me as criminal after I gated back to Palanthas.

[deda]

If you had all the shinies you used to have, the odds would be more even. Last night Snork had to recall too for the first time... Still, it's 2:1 for him. Question for imms: why lower resists don't check saves and every spell an abjurer has does so, even the freaking slow?!?!?

[Rialon]

Soften is easily placed. And lower lags you for two rounds. Plus an invoker has to use all sorts of preps to be protected, and an abjurer has everything.

[Bacuha]

Rialon is right soften does not check saves.

Vs. my alter Irnver used to do mangles-demolishes against sanc+harden+protection+saves (big devastate if saves fail). It was on forms zero resists, without lower resistance. Thats crazy, IMHO. But I guess, he had to sacrifice all his HP and saves for that.

[Quino]

Soften never checks saves on mobs and is relatively easy placed in PK
Slow does not check saves either but only when slowing down hasted person (both mobs and PK)

And efb damage is ok, just Irvner made it bigger with eq and such

[unreal]

SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPELLTURNING IS DAMNED CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how much should I whine to prevent all bullsh*t upon my characters?
perhaps I shouldnt play solace at all?
or make abjurer too and sit in astral somewhere-where-noone-steps?

 

PS relax, babe. -N

[deda]

Soften never checks saves on mobs and is relatively easy placed in PK
Slow does not check saves either but only when slowing down hasted person (both mobs and PK)

And efb damage is ok, just Irvner made it bigger with eq and such

Not true. Slow checks saves otherwise it wouldn't fail 10 times in a row when trying to slow Irnver. Soften can also fail. To Unreal: you say that spellturning is cheating but giving takhisis mages spell similar to spellturning is not cheating?!? How predictable.
 And by the way, you efbs miss not due to spellturning but to displacement. Keep trying! If you want Snorks gears, you will just have to wait for him to die from age death, unless i start cheating.

[Matthew]

Soften is easily placed. And lower lags you for two rounds. Plus an invoker has to use all sorts of preps to be protected, and an abjurer has everything.

You make out like this is a bad thing, when it is a good thing. Invoker is not penalized here. Invoker can have super damage AND be protected very easily. Having to pop a red dragon orb and make yourself a couple of haste potions is NOT a problem. Invoker is a character that can have it all and rule anyone. But the same goes for Snorkae in a way, he can find scrolls to read and wands etc do heaps of damage.

[deda]

He is a kender! So no scrolls, wands and other crap! Just thrust, thrust and lots of fun!

[Rionne]

Oops, didn't mean to start argument on balance. How should I say this? I just find examples of amazing damage or defence interesting somehow. *shrug*

[Rialon]

Counterspell works ONCE and then has to be recast for a considerable amount of mana. And yes, i think slow does not check saves, when cast on haste. Invoker class is all about damaging power. What do you propose? Because invoker can get sanc and protection evil or good he should be left with magic missile? Gather main resists and reflex saves and you will be fine.

[Hiddukel]

Spellturning waaaaaaaagghhhhhh

Just cast one heat metal and watch 'em run

[deda]

Counterspell works ONCE and then has to be recast for a considerable amount of mana. And yes, i think slow does not check saves, when cast on haste. Invoker class is all about damaging power. What do you propose? Because invoker can get sanc and protection evil or good he should be left with magic missile? Gather main resists and reflex saves and you will be fine.

Armor: pierce: -577  bash: -577  slash: -577  magic: -573
You are god-like against piercing.
You are god-like against bashing.
You are god-like against slashing.
You are god-like against magic.
Hitroll: 15  Damroll: 37.
Reflex save: 53  Will save: 68  Fortitude save: 58
Spellpower: 38
Artifact find: 5
You have magic-majored in abjuration.
You trust your group with questionable spells.
Use 'affects' command to see spells affecting you.


You have the following resistances:
You are exceptionally resistant against bashing (54%)
You are exceptionally resistant against piercing (55%)
You are exceptionally resistant against slashing (51%)
You are extremely resistant against fire attacks (42%)
You are divinely resistant against cold attacks (63%)
You are immune to electrical attacks (100%)
You are extremely resistant against acidic attacks (44%)
You are toughened against poison (14%)
You are extremely resistant against negative energy (47%)
You are extremely resistant against holy attacks (49%)
You are resistant against pure energy attacks (27%)
You are resistant against mental attacks (27%)
You are toughened against diseases (12%)
You are resistant against drowning (27%)
You are resistant against sound (27%)
You are resistant against air and gas attacks (27%)
You are resistant against earth-based attacks (27%)

You were saying something about resists and saves?

And the thing about what i propose for invokers would probably get me permabanned from solace... Well, who gives a f**k?

I propose that spellturned/spellbaned/countered lower resists should also lower an invoker's 100% resistance from a certain damtype. I.E. reflected lower resist fire should lower an invokers's fire resist from 100% by 40 percent like it does for everyone else... Why? Reason is simple: when i cast soften and it gets reflected my harden drops off, same goes with slow and the rest of the spells. Why shouldn't invokers feel some of their firepower upon their own efb spamming hides? Let them feel the thrill of constant recasting certain spells... It's lots of fun, honestly!

[Rialon]

Uff, common invoker != unreal's invoker in Takhisis

[deda]

There are also Gniblin, Mya, Shatienne etc... They all wield the same powers. It's the use of the powers which makes the difference between them...

[dedraelos]

Gnirblin != Mya/Irnver


I can definitely say this with authority

PS. On a side note, invokers are probably the most boring clanned member I've ever played. My reasoning for this is, even with self spells, protection from good/evil, harden, sanc, stoneskin, plus a few more preps, it's extremely difficult for an invoker to raid. Maybe if I could start slaying people and taking autoheals it would be different, but I can't think of any other class that has such a difficult time with inners.

[Kage]

- try a cobar priest.  all powers suited for fighter class who dont like them either.

[Kage]

- volunatrily moving myself to ideas 

[Kage]

voluntarily rather