Here then

[Matthew]

Lyeine in particular, I always enjoyed her responses when people tried to find out her thoughts. I always saw her as "unreadable and mysterious, but still desiring someone to understand her, and never meeting any who could."

This describes every character of Unreal's i ever interacted with... Though i have to say most of my characters are obsessed with honour and nobility. I think i only break from that when i played kender. Even my evil scum characters have some kind of code of honour to live by...

[Kage]

- It takes a ton of discipline to make a character not have any of your OOC traits.  I try and fail a lot but I try.  Its just the way it is , but an attempt is appreciated.  Most times RP is thrown together after an event to validate it (something left, looted, aiding in battle etc).  Everyone is enticed by gear so kill kill kill, no prob but at least when I killed someone a year ago Id here..."stupid cow", now I just here  "stupid Iidiot"...I miss the glorious RP of old 

P.S.  RP is only done for gain most times,  people stopped when immortals were dead awhile back  I think, we are in an RP recession  we need the immortals to give incentives to spark the economy of RP    give titles, good or bad ...or I'd even take a well placed high-five

[deda]

Actually, "stupid cow" is an acceptable insult since similar insults and jokes were aimed at one-handed Galdar quite a few times...

[Kage]

- stupid cow was my example of the usual rp back then , bad but present, .... now no one even wants to type cow   

[Caleb]

Definitely never have admitted i hav ehad great roleplay, infact to my dismay it certainly has been lacking lately. And i think 99% of  us lose roleplay in a pk fight.

Honestly, would a knight ever cleave a shield, disarm his opponent, i doubt in reality he would even ever bash (shield or otherwise)
I think Honor is something to be defined, respecting the enemies in battle etc. But i still dont see how zacchaeus has broken any kind of knightly or honor code. especially if he plays the role of a stone/cold heart man who in almost a way has contempt for the darkness that what has been passed throughout the realm. He is a follower of Kiri-Jolith, and a zealot in that, religiously and fanatically battling his enemies in any location to rid them of the world.

Honor attributes, Not disarming, yes some bashing, but on the whole i think he has been very respectful, especially when Matthews heretic died, he didnt loot (and he would o fhad some nice shinies to add to his collection if he did. He even went as far as atttacking a knight of paladine (on the assumption that she had stolen from the corpse of the fallen enemy in what was a very fair, 2 vs 2 no sentinel battle)

He also constantly attacked pip when he tried to sneak the reraid from the convulsing sentinel of when kazo took an hour to reraid. Not allowing the glory of kazos battle to go to waste.

He even wardered off Josreke when it was down to only devlin and pip fighting iliena (which was a fair battle that he wont not go against the odds and kill them in such a manner).

So please tell me what faults he has taken, as far as i am concerned, playing a religious zealot. i think he has fufilled his role completely. (although he did whisper some suggested tactics to dunbar about the heretics when they were reraiding) but they were going about the reraid in a very hard way.

And as i said before, No zealot knight would ever sit idly when a battle of evil vs darkness, or even heretics vs religious fighters and not step in to lend his sword. Unless it was terribly disadvantaged then he would stay out.

Other then that, i'd give him grandmaster
you might have a very warring solamnia, maybe even with guardians if they stepped to far out of line. who knows.

[glorg]

Everyone thinks RP is talking but its not.

 
you... YOU SURE?

[Quino]

Each man has his own RP. Or woman. And Matthew

[omledufromage]

I agree that Honor may have a different view for each person... but the point is what a Knight of Solamnia's view of honor is. Which people with which determined idea of honor are accepted as the mighty Knights of the Solamnic Order?
I don't know if you are familiar with the D&D core class called Knight (sorry if you don't like or appretiate this example), but there Knights have some great flaws such as not attacking from behind and stuff, which is explained the such way:
It is not worth the kill, if you did not fight your opponent at his full potential. If you took advantage of something, such as kicking dirt in his eyes, flanking him with an allie, etc, it is a victory not worth winning.
That is one example view of honor which I like a lot. Of course, no one is obligated to follow it, just an example.
Here is what is said:
"You fight not only to defeat your foes, but to prove your honor, demonstrate your fighting ability, and win renown across the land. The stories that arise from your deeds are just as important as your deeds themselves. A knight hopes that her example encourages others to lead righteous lives...
A knight's code focuses on fair play: A victory achieved through pure skill is more difficult, and hence wins more glory, then one achieved through trickery or guile."

[Matthew]

Solamnic's and maybe Lily knights of Takhisis is not much different from that. As i remember they're are the only non-minotaurs minotaurs respect at all. I always wondered why knights are given free blind with Wrath... any knight i ever read about would dislike weaking his enemy with anything but his blade.

[omledufromage]

I agree.

[Rialon]

The only such knight in DL was Vinas. Even sturm killed that DHL in a gopa with a strike from an area he could not see. Minotaur Emperors were dishonourable beasts, who simply killed everyone, who tried to to prove otherwise, and were thus right. And later were killed with poison, not in the arena. The night of blood was when a lot of minotaurs got assassinated by other minotaurs. Still all those minotaurs and knights were not branded as dishonourable. It is just your hypertrophied understanding of honor, which has nothing to do with reality, even DL world reality and surely not Solace reality.

[Matthew]

Actually i spoke of the Kothas like minotaurs, I haven't really read any of the books with the really evil minotaurs. I was also not just talking about DL but 'knights' in general and i just think it is strange they get a power to blind. My ideal knight to rp is one that has holy defenses, cures and are strong against evil but, that doesn't really fit a solamnic as they would slay a red robe almost as soon as any black robe. If solamnia went to war with the tower i reckon they'd slay a white robe just as soon as look at him as well.

My idea of solamnic's use to be that they were unrivaled warriors who needed little aid from gods most of the time... I think a warrior in solamnia is really more like a solamnic than a knight in solamnia, too many 'empowers'...

[Kage]

- Our knights in solace all seem to be the 'crusader' variant, meaning they have some cause and are fanatical in their approach to it.  Not the chivalrous type, more like a knight of lordship.  People are describing what I would call a 'paladin' which is a holy warrior that protects the weak, would not dare blind, wouldnt flank (would let a surrender) etc.  Unfortunately you can rp a true 'paladin' but you will have a disadvantage in pk and thus most wont do this.  Solamnic knights are not king arthur and  lancelot variant, they seem to be more the knights of the crusades (kill whatever , whenever and it is justified by your greater purpose, god ,code whatever the masses believe that day).  This would leave some room for over zealousness , fanaticism, and otherwise un-knightly behavior.  Corrupt kings knighted corrupt people all the time...why would it be different in DL...though our knights only claim this rp after someone says "why are you doing that?...aren't you a knight?" 

[omledufromage]

I know this is going to sound foolish... but solace differs from the examples you set Kage in one main thing: Alignment.
If solace had no alignment, then I think all that you said would be fine. But there is...
and a lawfull good knight, stands for what exactly? A corrupted soul? I don't think so.
The examples you set I think are excellent for someone who wrote a complex role explaining his personality and such, thus giving him the right to make, for example a chaotic knight...
If you read the Knights Newbie Guide, someone spoke wisely:

"There is one thing you should always keep in mind. Main weakness of a knight is RP. His courage, honour, unablitity to harm light beings. That's being the main reason of their failure, death and even deny.

If you are not ready for the necessity of self-sacrifices, do not play knight, he looks pathetic when he's running in fear. But even a perfectly roleplayed knight may meet the situations when his actions lead him to the heavenly trial."

What you said is true... if you rp a "true paladin", as you put it, you will have disadvantages... but it was meant this way.

[Kage]

-  Yeah that was my attempt at being unbiased and objective.  I actually think a knight 'should' act a certain way do to his alignment and ethos restrictions.  But we hit another problem...with ethos and alignment interpretation.  Used to be a takhisis lawful meant ie. he didnt break laws..now it means there own laws of the queen blah blah blah.  So basically you can do whatever you want and then say "I only obey the queen" so the "lawful"ness of takhisis is meaningless in terms of laws for a non-clanned person.  So something like that opens up the idea that a certain "good,lawful" knight could claim they obey the laws of some honor code that they only seem to know about.  I agree that if someone tries to pull away from the prototype of certain classes...then some role needs to be established prior to some dramatic skew. 

"There is one thing you should always keep in mind. Main weakness of a knight is RP. His courage, honour, unablitity to harm light beings. That's being the main reason of their failure, death and even deny."

- This is the way it should...but it requires RP and restraint.  It is the way I have played a knight and it is hard as it should be but unlikely to be seen often.  I have watched class knights and solamnic knights watch necromancers and outcasts slay people in the open or even in the city, it's just baffling.  Seen them claim Im lawful I cant interfere...then 5 minutes later slay a rival clan member in the same spot and loot them.  Some will only rp as far as it helps them or when they are naked.  Alignment and ethos enforcement is an issue that needs to be addressed.  All it takes is two liars and your a criminal and  alignment is irrelevant except for character creation, growing and gear availability.  Im getting preachy or whatever cuz Im bored at work sorry.  There is one knight however who acts 'knightly' however...so there is hope