Some thief observation

[Kage]

-  Have been playing around with a thief...and finding some points of interest with new version of thief.  To the knight...your participation in this experiment was appreciated...even though you were'nt aware you were going to be a test subject.   

Way of the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. The road continues along the edge of the woods to the east,
and across the plains to the west. At the north you can see an entrance
to the Inn. Warm light glows inside, welcomes you to enter.
 
[Exits: north east west]
(Silver Aura) Guinea Pig the male human is here riding a warhorse.
A tired-looking adventurer smiles at your passing.
 
hide
You attempt to hide.
 
affect
You have the following resistances:
You are toughened against bashing (16%)
You are toughened against piercing (11%)
You are toughened against slashing (16%)
You are toughened against fire attacks (10%)
You are toughened against cold attacks (10%)
You are resistant against electrical attacks (21%)
You are toughened against acidic attacks (15%)
You are toughened against poison (10%)
You are toughened against negative energy (10%)
You are toughened against holy attacks (14%)
You are toughened against pure energy attacks (10%)
You are toughened against mental attacks (10%)
You are toughened against diseases (16%)
You are resistant against drowning (20%)
You are toughened against sound (10%)
You are toughened against air and gas attacks (10%)
You are toughened against earth-based attacks (10%)
 
The following skills and spells are affecting you:
 
'Frenzy' spell is active for 0 hours and 50 minutes,
   modifying armor class by 30
   modifying damage roll by 8
   modifying hit roll by 8
'Sneak' skill is active for 5 hours and 10 minutes
'Detect hidden' skill is active for 6 hours and 5 minutes
'Armor' spell is active for 7 hours and 40 minutes,
   modifying armor class by -20
'Protection good' spell is active for 8 hours and 0 minutes,
   modifying all saves by 1
'Haste' spell is active for 12 hours and 5 minutes,
   modifying d   modifying dexterity by 4
'Bless' spell is active for 16 hours and 40 minutes,
   modifying all saves by 3
   modifying hit roll by 3
'Shield' spell is active for 18 hours and 40 minutes,
   modifying armor class by -20
'Giant strength' spell is active for 18 hours and 50 minutes,
   modifying strength by 4
'Fly' spell is active for 21 hours and 50 minutes
'Memorized spell' skill is active permanently,
   granting 3 uses of the 'vapour chain' spell   <----- hmm I cant learn blink, ill settle for this then
   granting 3 uses of the 'meteor swarm' spell  <----- no haste...oh alright fine this
 
You have a hero resistance bonus of +3%.
 
 look
Way of the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. The road continues along the edge of the woods to the east,
and across the plains to the west. At the north you can see an entrance
to the Inn. Warm light glows inside, welcomes you to enter.
 
[Exits: north east west]
(Silver Aura) Guinea Pig the male human is here riding a warhorse.
A tired-looking adventurer smiles at your passing.
 
Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
 
blackjack warhorse
You step out of the shadows.
You whack a warhorse over the head with a heavy looking sack. Ouch.
A warhorse collapses, sending Guinea Pig tumbling to the ground.
Guinea Pig yells, 'Help! Me has just blackjacked my mount!'
Guinea Pig is in perfect condition.
 
< T: Me TC: perfect condition   E: Guinea Pig EC: perfect condition >

You trample around loudly again.
Your flaming bite MUTILATES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig parries your pierce.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike misses Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig has a few scratches.
 
< T: Me TC: perfect condition   E: Guinea Pig EC: a few scratches >
< > flee west

Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Guinea Pig parries your pierce.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Your rage ebbs.
Guinea Pig has some small wounds.
 
< T: Me TC: perfect condition   E: Guinea Pig EC: small wounds >
< > east

Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Guinea Pig calls down the heavenly wrath upon you.
Guinea Pig's heavenly wrath DISMEMBERS you!
Guinea Pig has some small wounds.
 

< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: small wounds >
< > blackjack Guinea Pig
You turn around, trying to escape!
East of a crossroads on the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. To the west you can see a crossroads nestled between some low
hills and the surrounding forests.
 
[Exits: east west]
You flee from combat!
You sense that you fled west.
 
<1288/1348hp 594/594mana 347/348mv 342843tnl | EW> <1288/1348hp 594/594mana 347/348mv 342843tnl | EW> Way of the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. The road continues along the edge of the woods to the east,
and across the plains to the west. At the north you can see an entrance
to the Inn. Warm light glows inside, welcomes you to enter.
 
[Exits: north east west]
(Silver Aura) Guinea Pig the male human is here.
(Charmed) A warhorse is sleeping here.
A tired-looking adventurer smiles at your passing.
 
  You whack Guinea Pig over the head with a heavy looking sack. Ouch.
 
look guinea pig

Guinea Pig has some small wounds.
 
Guinea Pig is using:
<worn on finger>    (Glowing) a golden ring engraved with a two-faced coin
<worn around neck>  (Glowing) an amulet emitting a soft light
<worn around neck>  (Glowing) an amulet emitting a soft light
<worn on torso>     the plate mail covered in green engravings
<worn on head>      a white hood set with a red gem
<worn on legs>      the leggings made of white wyrmling's scale
<worn on feet>      a pair of boots made of red wyrmling's scale
<worn on hands>     a pair of spiked gauntlets
<worn on arms>      the sleeves made of black wyrmling's scale
<worn on waist>     a sapphire belt of the elven pride
<worn around wrist> a wristband etched with sigils
<worn around wrist> a steel wristguard
<wielded>           (Glowing) Staff of the Sun
<bearing>           a sign of the Platinum dragon claw
 
You peek at the inventory:
     a gold dragon orb
     a bag
     the lungs of a lungfish
( 2) a bone ring
     (Glowing) a steel-tipped lance
     (Glowing) an obsidian-laced copper axe
     (Humming) a blood-encrusted morningstar
     a long, black spear
     a silver belly chain
     a Frostbrand sword
     an old ranger's sack
     a steel wristguard
     (Glowing) (Humming) an obsidian-tipped spear
     a steel capped oaken staff
     a Crusader's Sword
     egg
 
 
Bystander tells you, 'You blackjacked Guinea Pig?'<---- seems another student of the scientific method
 
 where
Within the area of the Eastern Solamnic Road:
(PK) Me      Way of the eastern Solamnic road
(PK) Guinea Pig     Way of the eastern Solamnic road
 
You tell Bystander, 'Aye...'                               
 
 where
Within the area of the Eastern Solamnic Road:
(PK) Me      Way of the eastern Solamnic road
(PK) Guinea Pig     Way of the eastern Solamnic road
 
 who
-=-=-=-= Visible players in the realms =-=-=-=-
            (PK) Me the male human
            (PK) Bystander the male dark elf
            (PK) Guinea Pig the male human
               
You tell Bystander, 'This upsets you?'

Bystander tells you, 'I see... I was speaking with him. We are going to have a small duel.'
Bystander tells you, 'Not at all.'
 
You tell Bystander, 'After I test him some...I wish nothing to take.'
 
Bystander tells you, 'Just leave him whole for me.'

backstab guinea pig
bleed
You step out of the shadows.
Guinea Pig yells, 'Help! Me has just backstabbed me!'
Your backstab >>> ANNIHILATES <<< Guinea Pig!
Your second backstab misses Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig is covered in bleeding wounds.
 
< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: bleeding wounds >

Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike misses Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig parries your pierce.
Your flaming bite DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is covered in bleeding wounds.
 
<1330/1348hp 594/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: bleeding wounds >

Bystander looks at Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig is covered in bleeding wounds.
 
< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: bleeding wounds >
< > < > Your bleeding MUTILATES Guinea Pig!
Your bleeding DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
You slice open a vital artery on Guinea Pig's body!
Guinea Pig is covered in bleeding wounds.

< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: bleeding wounds >

Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Guinea Pig calls down the heavenly wrath upon you.
Guinea Pig's heavenly wrath DISMEMBERS you!
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig parries your pierce.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike MUTILATES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig is burnt by an abyssal shard wreathed in infernal flames.
Guinea Pig's flaming bite MUTILATES you!
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.

cast 'meteor swarm'

Bystander looks at Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1222/1348hp 594/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > < > The spidery language of magic comes out of your mouth.   
You conjure forth a hail of flaming meteorites.                <---- this is not nice
Guinea Pig is struck by a fiery meteorite!
Your meteorite MANGLES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig is struck by a fiery meteorite!
Your meteorite MANGLES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Your flaming bite misses Guinea Pig.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1222/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: a few scratches   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > < >
Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Guinea Pig calls down the heavenly wrath upon you.
Guinea Pig's heavenly wrath DISMEMBERS you!
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1160/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > < >
Bystander recites a sweet mystical tune, whispering, 'Faernil ralithafi dagnir fao.'
Bystander is surrounded by a protective shield.
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1160/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > cast 'meteor swarm'

Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike MUTILATES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1160/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > < >
Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Guinea Pig calls down the heavenly wrath upon you.
You feel unclean.
Guinea Pig's heavenly wrath DISEMBOWELS you!
Guinea Pig is gushing blood.
 
<1108/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: gushing blood >
< > < >
Bystander looks at Guinea Pig.
Your flaming bite DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is writhing in agony.
 
<1108/1348hp 554/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: writhing >
< > < > The spidery language of magic comes out of your mouth.
You conjure forth a hail of flaming meteorites.
Guinea Pig is struck by a fiery meteorite!
Your meteorite DISMEMBERS Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig looks stunned by the impact.
Guinea Pig is convulsing on the ground.
 
<1108/1348hp 514/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: convulsing >
< > cast 'meteor swarm'                                 
cast 'vapour chain'                                      <---- This is just mean

Bystander says, 'Flee.'                                  <---- not sure if he meant me or him
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
Guinea Pig parries your pierce.
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You parry Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is convulsing on the ground.
 
<1108/1348hp 514/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: convulsing >
< > < >
Bystander looks at you.
Guinea Pig is convulsing on the ground.
 
<1108/1348hp 514/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: convulsing >
< > < >
Guinea Pig concentrates for a moment of prayer.
Guinea Pig calls down the heavenly wrath upon you.
Guinea Pig's heavenly wrath DISMEMBERS you!
Guinea Pig is convulsing on the ground.
 
<1043/1348hp 514/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: convulsing >
< > < >
Guinea Pig keeps you at bay with his weapon.
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike MUTILATES Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig is burnt by an abyssal shard wreathed in infernal flames.
Guinea Pig is blinded by smoke!
Guinea Pig parries your flaming bite.
You rapidly redirect your dagger midway through Guinea Pig's parry.
Your rapid restrike DISEMBOWELS Guinea Pig!
You dodge Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You parry Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
You parry Guinea Pig's flaming bite.
Guinea Pig is convulsing on the ground.
 
<1043/1348hp 514/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl |
< T: Me TC: small wounds   E: Guinea Pig EC: convulsing >
< > flee                                                  <---- maybe me, but too late
You begin chanting your magical spell.
You conjure forth a hail of flaming meteorites.
Guinea Pig is struck by a fiery meteorite!
Your meteorite DISMEMBERS Guinea Pig!
Guinea Pig is DEAD!!
Guinea Pig hits the ground ... DEAD.                <---- oh well, organ donor maybe
get book

Bystander chuckles politely.

Bystander looks at you.
 
Bystander nods at you in agreement.
 
 You aren't fighting anyone.
 You mutter under your breath.
 
Bystander says, 'Impressive.'
 
You say, 'Didnt wish it quite go so far.'
 
You ponder the question.
 
You say, 'Got a little excited.'
 
Bystander chuckles politely.
 
 look
Way of the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. The road continues along the edge of the woods to the east,
and across the plains to the west. At the north you can see an entrance
to the Inn. Warm light glows inside, welcomes you to enter.
 
[Exits: north east west]
     The corpse of Guinea Pig is lying here.
(White Aura) Bystander the male dark elf is here.
 
You say, 'Hmm...cant blink though.'                            <----- Thesis statement
 
You cackle insanely.
 
Guinea Pig has arrived.
 
Bystander looks at you.
 
Guinea Pig gets egg from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a Crusader's Sword from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a steel capped oaken staff from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets an obsidian-tipped spear from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a steel wristguard from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets an old ranger's sack from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a steel wristguard from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a Frostbrand sword from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a pair of boots made of red wyrmling's scale from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets the sleeves made of black wyrmling's scale from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets the leggings made of white wyrmling's scale from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets the plate mail covered in green engravings from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a silver belly chain from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a long, black spear from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a bone ring from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets an amulet emitting a soft light from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a pair of spiked gauntlets from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a blood-encrusted morningstar from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets an obsidian-laced copper axe from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a steel-tipped lance from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a bone ring from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets an amulet emitting a soft light from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets thGuinea Pig gets the lungs of a lungfish from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a bag from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a white hood set with a red gem from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a golden ring engraved with a two-faced coin from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets Staff of the Sun from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a gold dragon orb from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a sapphire belt of the elven pride from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets a wristband etched with sigils from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
Guinea Pig gets 2478 silver coins and 428 gold coins from the corpse of Guinea Pig.
 
Bystander looks at Guinea Pig.
 
Guinea Pig wears a wristband etched with sigils around his left wrist.
Guinea Pig wears a sapphire belt of the elven pride about his waist.
Guinea Pig holds a gold dragon orb in his hands.
Guinea Pig wears a golden ring engraved with a two-faced coin on the finger of his left hand.
Guinea Pig wears a white hood set with a red gem on his head.
Guinea Pig wears the lungs of a lungfish around his neck.
Guinea Pig wears an amulet emitting a soft light around his neck.
Guinea Pig wears a bone ring on the finger of his right hand.
Guinea Pig wields an obsidian-laced copper axe.
Guinea Pig wears a pair of spiked gauntlets on his hands.
Guinea Pig wears the plate mail covered in green engravings on his torso.
Guinea Pig wears the leggings made of white wyrmling's scale on his legs.
Guinea Pig wears the sleeves made of black wyrmling's scale on his arms.
Guinea Pig wears a pair of boots made of red wyrmling's scale on his feet.
Guinea Pig wears a steel wristguard around his right wrist.
Guinea Pig wears an old ranger's sack about his body.
 
You say, 'Appologies Guinea Pig...I didnt quite intend the result.'
 
You step out of the shadows.
You say, 'An experiment so..to speak.'
 
Way of the eastern Solamnic road
  The road skits along the edge of the woods to the north, never entering
its dark perimeter. The woods are thickly packed, too dark and too dense
to see more than a few paces within. Strange noises of animals - at
least you think they are animals - carry from deep within the woods.
Scattered along the road, you find the remnants of steel-tipped arrows.
Most shafts are snapped, others are missing, and a few appear to be gnawed
through. You remind yourself it is nothing to be concerned of, merely
childish stories, yet you quicken your step without realizing it. The
plains extend to the horizon to the east, the clouds moving off to the
northwest. The road continues along the edge of the woods to the east,
and across the plains to the west. At the north you can see an entrance
to the Inn. Warm light glows inside, welcomes you to enter.
 
[Exits: north east west]
     The corpse of Guinea Pig is lying here.
(Translucent) Guinea Pig the male human is here.
(White Aura) Bystander the male dark elf is here.
 
Guinea Pig looks at you.
 
Bystander says, 'Me.'
 
<1138/1348hp 583/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl | score
You are Me the Thief Hero
Race: human       Sex: male   Age: 26 years old (mature)
You are a chaotic neutral thief.
Level: 35+4, with 14918337 exp (experience to level: 342843)
 
Str: 20      Health: 1138/1348    Practices: 1
Int: 20      Mana  : 583 /594     Training sessions: 0
Wis: 20      Move  : 348 /348
Dex: 23      Carrying 29/36 items (242/390 pounds)
Con: 18      You have 407 gold and 0 silver coins.
             You have 0 smuggler coins.
 
Wimpy set to 0 hit points.  Hometown is Palanthas.
You are standing.
Armor: pierce: -315  bash: -317  slash: -311  magic: -319
You are god-like against piercing.
You are god-like against bashing.
You are god-like against slashing.
You are god-like against magic.
Hitroll: 36  Damroll: 46.
Reflex save: 35  Will save: 6  Fortitude save: 9
Spellpower: 35
You trust your group with questionable spells.
Use 'affects' command to see spells affecting you.
 
You nod sagely
 
Bystander says 'Wish to have a little experiment with me?'
 
Bystander grins wickedly.
 
Bystander says, 'Lets head to the woods.'
 
You wince in sheer agony.

Bystander says 'I do not like to fight in the road.'
 
Narrowing your eyes slyly, you say, 'Aye..experiments going on out here.'
 
<1138/1348hp 583/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl | scan e
You peer intently east.
 **** 1 east ****
 
 **** 2 east ****
 
 **** 3 east ****
 
 **** 4 east ****
A white-robed priest stands here, uttering a prayer to Paladine.
 
 
<1162/1348hp 594/594mana 348/348mv 342843tnl | scan w
You peer intently west.
 **** 1 west ****
 
 **** 2 west ****
 
 **** 3 west ****
A small kender dressed in a brown leather jacket peers at you curiously.
 
 **** 4 west ****
 
 **** 5 west ****
 
 **** 6 west ****
 

Bystander nods.
 
Bystander peers intently west.
 
You say to Guinea Pig shrewdly, 'No hard feelings.'
 
Guinea Pig looks at you.

Guinea Pig frowns unhappily.

-  Here is my opinion, although this was fun (not for prey I assume)...I believe either remove memorize spell skill from thief alltogether or make some sort of uniform spell level restriction.  Im not quite sure how a spell like blink is removed (low teen spell) but meteor swarm and vapour chain is allowed (high level and must be unlocked).  These offensive spells are high level and must be unlocked through elemental mastering.
     If spells wont be taken from thieves thats fine...but at least put them in manuals or make them realistic.  No sanctuary and displacement I agree,  maybe haste , blink and some others are better exchanged back for spells like meteor swarm, vapour chain etc.  Perhaps can only learn spells at half the thieves rank, with some exceptions I imagine.  Or as I stated...remove the spellbook altogether...and add some other thief skills to supplement.  (see idea section, thief revamp etc.) 
     Maybe Im wrong,...and this is not the best example ...though I am no master thief...and this was no master knight... tried a random situation without the victim knowing, but it seemed a bit overpowered to me to have these spells at my disposal.  Have a couple other crappy example on my other office comp...that didnt even last two rounds.  But they were newbies and in bad situations.  Whats the consensus?

[deda]

Join the Camp?

[Quino]

deda, campers cannot cast

[deda]

I know, but since he obviously doesn't need any protective spells, camp is the logical solution. Btw, why wasn't the pig mounted?

[Quino]

Seemingly because horse was bjacked

[Matthew]

Poor deda needing new eyes now he is getting old (at least his students think he is old at least!)

[Kage]

- Semi-offtopic - Yeah had to blackjack his mount...was trying catch him unmounted from city gate but something I did tipped him off and he got a lil spooked so I had to track him in and out of the inn and eastern road hideouts.  I dont know what I did prolly ate a wafer in the area just as he typed 'where' but added a half hour to my hunt    What sort of actions not necessarily unhide you but trigger 'someone does something' to the room.  With sneak, a knight cant see "someone enters the room" right? I thought awhile back for some reason if you are invis and sneaking(human) "someone enters" was seen but not when just hidden and sneaking (ill experiment some more)...and I was neutral so no templar sight. 
   So if Im hidden and invis, someone shouldnt for example be able to see me look at them, scan , where, or who command ..right? 
  - Back to Topic -  Anyway...focus people...do we think a thief should be able to harness this type of magic? RP wise, seems this would at the very least anger the tower mages...for stealing the knowledge it takes mages years (in game) to learn in about 3 hours (in game).  Bottom line...my best thought, drop all spells...give them some traps that basically do spell like effects and just a lil skill shimmy and they are fine and hopefully more thief-like.
    - lose memorize skil spell
- gain alchemist skill (potions quaffed trigger spell at higher level)
- gain fire bomb trap (area flame/phys attack)
- lose shield block
- gain some dual dagger semi cross-block (devert physical attack but still take half damage)
- lose bash
- gain knockdown (worse version of bash due to it now triggering uber-downstrike)
- make envenom chance for success only possible on knifing or backstab and improve envenom, as in make it seperate from poison or stronger but not stackable.
- steal, loot, pilfer...who knows...current state is not too troubling

[Matthew]

was trying catch him unmounted from city gate but something I did tipped him off and he got a lil spooked so I had to track him in and out of the inn and eastern road hideouts.

Translation: The billion stupid things that force you from hiding made it obvious I was lurking for no good reason.

[Matthew]

- gain fire bomb trap (area flame/phys attack)

Ability to fire one single fireball every now and then, this is no where near overpower and something I would expect thieves to have already, which means it is pointless to implement as the improvement thieves will gain is pointless. Better make an 'immolation trap' probably better named flash powder trap or vitrol trap (I think thats what the gnomes called it?) single target which continues to burn for some time... maybe some chance to get smoke in your eyes.

- gain some dual dagger semi cross-block (devert physical attack but still take half damage)

While thieves are able to use any clothing and weapons they can find they need no more blockers... Better to instead improve thieving not as in the skill but in the profession. So, reduce the many things that force from shadows etc. Make what you can steal be dependent on how much weight you can carry, how many hands are free (meaning is thief wielding none, one, or two weapons/shield), how strong you are, whether you are wearing clanking shiny metal, and how heavy the item they steal is.... Gold should be easy to steal, and a lot at a time should your target carry enough.

- lose bash

Why? Better to allow classes that are better bashers be thieves... it is very 'highway robbery' or such. Much more like a murderous thuggish jump you in the alley and intimidate you kind of  thief... Better to improve on this.. down strike is already strong enough. Thieves should lose bleed...

Better to give envenom and bleed to assassins...

[Kage]

- (firetrap) Well my fire trap idea was suggested as an area effect, possible able to be triggered at will.  The immolation idea is interesting...possibly similiar to a molten iron burn effect..already coded so easier to implement.

- (dual dagger block) Technically their not gaining another block..their losing half a block.  This is an exchange for no shield block...and still take half damage on success.  But agree on some sort of hide modifier in city limits perhaps.  urban stealth or something.  harder to break hide in cities..etc.

- (bash) This doesnt quite describe a thief or an assassin for that matter.

Keywords: 'Bash'
------------------

   The bash skill is a warrior talent, a brute-force attack designed to knock
   your foe to his knees. Its success depends on many factors, including the
   bash rating, your weight, and the size of your opponent. Bashing a dragon
   is not generally a wise idea.

Downstrike is very powerful now ..so I suggested a bash alternative that is not only more suited to RP but also to balance downstrike power with a weaker lagger.  A knockdown, perhaps a misleading sidestep, or some type of sneaky hamstring slice that drops them..rather then a 'brute-force attack'.

- (bleed and envenom) Bleed is about the best pk skill of a thief besides backstab, without spells they cannot lose anything...rather will need something to replace.  Envenom is no good for anyone now, assassin has poison dust anyway.

[deda]

Yep, my poor eyes are not what they used to be. I have an idea of my own: since bj/strangling a mount sounds a bit too much (how can you strangle an elephant or dragon???), both thieves and assassins should be granted "incapacitate mount" or whatever should it be called - a skill that would be equivalent to bj/strangle except it would work against mounts only.

[omledufromage]

Emotes also should be divided in two types: visual and auditive.
visual emotes are supposed to be unseen by someone who can not see the one who does the emote. Auditive emotes on the other hand can be heard even when one cannot see the one who does it.
Example: Hiding thief raises an eyebrow during a conversation other two people are having. If they do not have detect hidden, they do not see anything.

Now, if hiding assassin hiccups during a conversation of other two, they will see, even if they do not have detect hidden:
Someone hiccups.

It should be like this for emotes, socials, look, scan. Maybe make skills such as awareness more usefull.
Just a thought:
A person without awareness cannot hear someone drinking water when hidding, but a person with hears:
Somone drinks something near you.

[Kage]

- Should just be harder I assume.  For example..you can dirt kick someone mounted ( I hope it is harder somehow) and it shows that you kick the dirt "high" up into their eyes.  Perhaps when someone is mounted...or taller you climb up their mount or jump up on their mount behind them and attempt to strangle/jack them.  But I suppose thats what trip and bash are for..or just get a mount.  

p.s. mastering that incapacitate mount would be expensive huh ?
p.p.s someone without detect hidden can see when a hiding person scans and look?

[deda]

p.s. mastering that incapacitate mount would be expensive huh ?

Only if you plan practising it on elephants... Seriously, something needs to be changed - either the emote or the skill(s)...

[omledufromage]

Last time I played an assassin, if you scanned, you stopped hiding immediately (stepped out of the shadows), which makes little sense to me. And now I am not sure how it is. Sometimes, maybe not with hide, maybe with invisability, or when blinded, you can see:
Someone looks at you,
which also makes little sense to me. If you cannot see, you cannot see him looking.

[Kage]

-  Still breaks hide if you scan with assassin...which is a pain, and worse it breaks hide if you try to strangle someone who is not there, or is mounted and your not.  Yeah if your blind you see someone arrives and it possibly may still occur with an elf or one with sneak arriving when you otherwise wouldnt know (possible bug).  At least should be changed to "You hear someone arrive" if anything at all. 

p.s.  Thieves and spells? comments on ideas? anyone  on that stuff?

[Matthew]

No use removing shield block, losing offhand damage bonus/extra attacks to wear a shield is huge penalty to damaging, a thief who is solo will not even benefit. (See various logs) A thief with a friend or pet can circle and would probably be better off with no shield anyway. (see logs of Pinda and Ariaste vs Heretics) Shield block is for zones, you want to give them a new blocker AND the extra damage and attacks that come with an offhand weapon - bad.

[Kage]

- If my thief loses the ability to vapour chain someone to convulsing after blackjack wears off there preps, then  hold them with meteor swarm til death (which he shouldnt be able to do)....a couple swipes of a dagger and a half block isnt asking too much to compensate.  No real thief in DL...D&D...NYC or any other abrreviated place would be seen carrying a shield..its just silly.  You talk about how a thief is supposed to steal with hands full..how can he be sneaky or circle with a shield in his hand?  Imagine a new thief without any spellbook and these simple tweaks are not overpower.  Then we will almost have a rogueish character.

[deda]

Kage, you are forgetting deception.

[Kage]

- I know it helps...but some go whole life without it.  but still that is ...parry, dodge, my crappy half block idea, and possibly finding deception adds another and no spells.  Where current thief has parry,dodge, shield block, possible deception and vapour chain, meteor swarm, fireballs, etc.  Im actually proposing a thief nerf...when people think Im trying to make them better...if I had the skills I proposed that knight might have had a chance in the log.


p.s. Just got deception...it's a nice touch but doesnt trigger too much. (one fooling miss per 8 rounds-ish so far at 85%)  The changes proposed even with deception wouldnt be overpower I dont think. 

p.p.s. They should also get feat choices weapon focus dagger and critical.