bring us back diplacer style

[shadyn]

i know 2 active thieves at this moment ..
Plenak(dont remember correct name)  and Urich 
and few new players ...

[arre]

Limited usually maxed potions. Thief doesnt use orbs, if not gnome with 18 dex. Scrolls only.

And try to play them. Not heretic thief, who can have lucky backstab. Play common burglar, who has to quaff detect invis pots all the time, to retreat from everyone and everybody, and seek for money. It would be acceptable for crowded world, to steal a lot of items. But nowadays without players, thief is crap. Cant kill mobs, cant kill players. Poor support (bj, steal, circle only. worst hold, trip ).

[shadyn]

yeah you are right... they a weak as melee class...
but they was really strong before...
i remember that uber combo abj + thieve
BJ > soften > hold person > hello pit
but they can be strong in takhisis clan...
you are always able to do circle stab...
and question...
if you remove autoassist... and your dragon rescue you... can you repeat tackle?

[arre]

haha, choking warrior/ranger or assassin with abj would lead to same result. Or morgicler instead of abj for middleranks. Or single shadow nowadays )))

If i remember right, there is 'tackle' affect for few hours.

circle can be performed if thief doesnt tank. Not easy for person, who doesnt use ooc team.

[shadyn]

takhisis dragons can rescue you... so you can circle 

[arre]

heh. My ancient kender thief did next : fighting dragon, rescued self with warhorse without autoassist, mounted it and jacked opponent before next round began. Funny thing to perform

[zondra]

i remember :*you see someone enter an unusal fighting stance* that was get return sack;quaff return;quit

[dedraelos]

Hagrin has fury. It's almost seems less rare now days. I know some random fighters who've found it recently too.

[zondra]

i just have the worse luck ever i guess.

[shadyn]

why you care about fury so much?
its less usefull then weaponmastery iron grip

[zondra]

i want any of them

[shadyn]

heh...
count sweeping strikes and parting blow
damn i'm not sure how its called correctly  

[zondra]

sweep is bad ass. had it years ago. it seems harder to find them now. or like i said i have ad luck it seems.

[unreal]

BJ > soften > hold person > hello pit

damn write blackjack! BJ is.. something.. a bit another thing.. 

[Kage]

If I am not mistaken, Kage gave a very good example of how thieves can still be very effective in combat. He blackjacked a dude, readied for battle, and started fighting. Cast three 'vapor chains', and whamo, enemy was dead.

A thief has the potential to be a lesser invoker with extreme dodging abilities...

- I believe this is the log Argonar is referring to.  http://solace.i-read-you.ru/forum/index.php/topic,4338.0.html

- Me and one other I dont recall got Thieves nerfed and buffed in a short amount of time.  Tackle etc.  I dont know what their state is now tho.  Tackle got nerfed to once per battle?

- Problem is, thieves were/are on a weird slippery slope.  No one likes them now, in my opinion, because it requires OOC mage friend to give his xp for good spells.  And if book is looted, all that work is poof.  So your left with a soft char that once his element of surprise is gone is hunted always.

- But this log shows, is an offensive marvel... he should not be a tank and offensive bomb too , no?

[omledufromage]

BJ > soften > hold person > hello pit

damn write blackjack! BJ is.. something.. a bit another thing.. 

*rofl*

[arre]

One debater believes thieves can use orbs, another does not know tackle was nerfed (it happened last January). Why discuss thieves at all if know so little about them ?

P.s. victory in the log has nothing to do with spells, it's pure physical damage superiority.

[omledufromage]

Sorry, oh mighty knowledgeable one!

I just figured, if assassins can use orbs, thieves also can. I always found thieves more attunned with magic (even though they don't have spells to start with)

[dedraelos]

I think his point was that offering conclusions based upon anecdotal observations probably isn't the best way to judge a class.

[bluesky]

Well, everybody said their wishes... now its my turn  
Though leaving the enemy clan without their powers is reward enough by itself, a wave from tsunami of Greed has reached my boat...  

'Clan empower heretic' skill is active permanently,
   modifying health by 50
   modifying mana by 100

could be

'Clan empower heretic' skill is active permanently,
   modifying health by x
   modifies mana regeneration by 1
   increases spellpower by 1

i ment, what is 50 hps for somebody with 1500hps or more...? scratch