Parry

[Lelik]

To my mind parry skill should be reworked.

Keywords: 'Parry'
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   Block incoming attacks with your weapon. Relies on the difference between your
   and attacker's strength, weapon types, some affects like adrenalin rush.
   If you're in normal or any grade of offensive stance, it goes first:
   parry -> shield block -> dodge.
   If you're in defensive or porcupine stance, it goes after shield block:
   shield block -> parry -> dodge.

Imho now it checks only weapon type and slightly other affects specified in help information.
For example: Jiub wields a spear and Ponyen sword+whip. Maybe Jiub has 100% sword skill, but I'm sure he has 1% whip skill. Ponyen has 100% spear skill.

Ponyen delivers a blow of deadly force!
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You parry Ponyen's acidic bite.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.

You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You mislead Ponyen's acidic bite with a cunning feint!
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You dodge the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.

Jiub with -7 str being slowed in normal stance parried all attacks of opponent who was hasted in fury stance.
I'm not even talking about dodge and feint being paralized with -20 dex (paralize, bleed, slow).

So maybe parry should check your skill in weapon you wear and maybe difference between yours and opponent's skills in this type of weapon. But now even invoker with spear, who doesn't know how to use it, can parry better then fighter in double defence with whips.

[disaster]

It would be true if that would be in every round
Some other round and you have another story

Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You keep a giant spider at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
The spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain decimates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's acidic bite mauls you.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
You parry the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.

One has to consider average parry success, not only parry success in rounds where it supports argument against parry.

I'm sure he has 1% whip skill ()

Level  1: axe                 97%      dagger              99%     
          flail               79%      mace                75%     
          polearm              1%      shield block       100%     
          spear              100%      sword               99%     
          whip               100%      enhanced damage    100%     
          staff               75%      rescue              91%     
          parry              100%      staves             100%     
          wands              100%      recall             100%     

[Lelik]

It would be true if that would be in every round
Some other round and you have another story

Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You keep a giant spider at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
The spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain decimates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's acidic bite mauls you.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
Ponyen's poisonous bite devastates you.
You parry the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.

One has to consider average parry success, not only parry success in rounds where it supports argument against parry.

I took some rounds after you've been slowed to show the difference between "some affects like adrenalin rush" from help file.

Darghobb recites a sweet mystical tune, whispering, 'Suntaar lesark shanto.'
You feel yourself moving slower.
Darghobb has a few scratches.

<545/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: gushing blood   E: Darghobb EC: a few scratches >
< > gl
You are paralyzed, your muscles won't respond!
Darghobb has a few scratches.

<545/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: gushing blood   E: Darghobb EC: a few scratches >
< >
Ponyen attempts to impale you with a quick lunge!
Ponyen's lunge DISEMBOWELS you!
A giant spider's bite devastates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
A griffon's claw wounds Darghobb.
Your poisonous bite misses Darghobb.
Your poisonous bite wounds Darghobb.
Darghobb's blue shimmering shield absorbs part of the damage you deal.
Skull of Fistandantilus glows pale red.
Darghobb's deathly touch mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You keep Darghobb at bay with your weapon.
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Ponyen delivers a blow of deadly force!
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You parry Ponyen's acidic bite.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
The spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain decimates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<394/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: writhing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
Your paralyzed legs refuse to carry you away.
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<394/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: writhing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
Darghobb intones an elegant incantation, chanting, 'Suntaar lesark shanto.'
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<394/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: writhing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
You keep a giant spider at bay with your weapon.
A giant spider's bite devastates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
A griffon's claw injures Darghobb.
You attack with your poisonous bite, but Darghobb isn't there.
A bolt of lightning streaks from Darghobb's gauntlets of devastation at you.
Darghobb releases a bolt of electrical energy at you!
Darghobb's lightning bolt mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You mislead Ponyen's acidic bite with a cunning feint!
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You dodge the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.
The spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You feel your pulse slow down.
Darghobb has a few scratches.

<302/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: writhing   E: Darghobb EC: a few scratches >
< >
Your paralyzed legs refuse to carry you away.
Ponyen attempts to impale you with a quick lunge!
Ponyen's lunge DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb has a few scratches.

<242/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: a few scratches >
< >
Darghobb intones an elegant incantation, chanting, 'Suntaar lesark shanto.'
Darghobb has a few scratches.

<242/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: a few scratches >
< >
A giant spider's bite devastates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You keep a giant spider at bay with your weapon.
A griffon's claw strikes for Darghobb, but he isn't there.
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's acidic bite.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
Ponyen delivers a blow of deadly force!
Ponyen's acidic bite decimates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Ponyen delivers a blow of deadly force!
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<174/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
Your paralyzed legs refuse to carry you away.
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<174/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
Ponyen attempts to impale you with a quick lunge!
Ponyen's lunge DISEMBOWELS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<120/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
Darghobb recites a sweet mystical verse, humming, 'Suntaar lesark shanto.'
Darghobb is in perfect condition.

<120/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: convulsing   E: Darghobb EC: perfect condition >
< >
A giant spider's bite decimates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
A griffon's claw strikes for Darghobb, but he isn't there.
Your poisonous bite injures Darghobb.
Darghobb's blue shimmering shield absorbs part of the damage you deal.
The air around sharp head horns of the icingdeath chills and shards of ice fill the air.
Darghobb points at you and a bolt of ice flies forth!
Darghobb's frostbolt decimates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Darghobb's blast of light wounds you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Ponyen's poisonous bite decimates you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
Ponyen's poisonous bite decimates you.
You are incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
You keep Ponyen at bay with your weapon.
You parry Ponyen's poisonous bite.
You parry the spectral guardian of Dargaard Keep's life drain.
Ponyen has a few scratches.

<-3/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: nearly dead   E: Ponyen EC: a few scratches >
< >
Ponyen waves happily.
Ponyen has a few scratches.

<-3/1950hp 692/758mana 345/414mv 0tnl | NS>
< T: Jiub TC: nearly dead   E: Ponyen EC: a few scratches >
< >
Ponyen attempts to impale you with a quick lunge!
Ponyen's lunge DISEMBOWELS you!
You have been KILLED!!

21 Ponyen's attacks:
10 parry
7 stand off
1 feint
3 unblocked

I'm sure he has 1% whip skill ()

Level  1: axe                 97%      dagger              99%     
          flail               79%      mace                75%     
          polearm              1%      shield block       100%     
          spear              100%      sword               99%     
          whip               100%      enhanced damage    100%     
          staff               75%      rescue              91%     
          parry              100%      staves             100%     
          wands              100%      recall             100%     

It doesn't matter because there is no check for that now. Please, read again my offers.

[disaster]

Let's check Darghobb's attacks:
standoff 1
unblocked 5
parry 0
feint 0

I guess i was awed by good parry in some rounds too, but it could be luck (dices), good AC (-550), low hitroll of attacker, spear improves parrying, parry/standoff dependance on str and not dex? If boneshatter, crossslice or other str lowering skill used, i blindly guess it would be much harder to parry.

Bottom line, damage done in hold/slow mode was several times increased than before it, and that matters.

Lets resolve another situation in previous log - hold person success from 4th try against 81 fortitude saves was ok? No complaining on glitch when it is useful

[Lelik]

Let's check Darghobb's attacks:
standoff 1
unblocked 5
parry 0
feint 0

I compared fighter's stances and conditions.

Lets resolve another situation in previous log - hold person success from 4th try against 81 fortitude saves was ok? No complaining on glitch when it is useful

You don't know the current moon, his spell power and feats. If you think it's a bug - post in right section.

[Earwin]

Far as I remember, hold person was very likely a double-roll spell — fort+fort or fort+will probably.
Paralysis was reworked to exclude full-body paralysis (which sucks a lot ), but hold seems to be the same.

Saves system feels quite different compared to 20 years ago.
Under the old system saves in the 70s (very hard, if possible, to attain with state-of-the-art gear of the time) would make you close to immune to monster bullsh*t,
now I get routinely blinded/plagued/whatever in just a few attempts.
My guess would be the saves chance after all the number crunching has a lower max cap.

It also got deadlier with the hour-to-minute affect timer transition.
Just like dirt kick turned from a fringe skill to something quite reliable.

You don't know the current moon, his spell power and feats. If you think it's a bug - post in right section.

The most effective set he could take (and therefore my guess) is: penetration, penetration, combat casting.
Thanks to the team effort he likely has full books, so Raistlin's spell enhancer (+1-3).
Staff of Magius (+3)

I would bet on ~43 cumulative spellpower at the moment of the battle, given a good but not perfect moon.
Penetration would probably add *handwaves* another 3.
With old system saving a double-check of a 46-level mob VS 80 saves would be peanuts.

Not a bug, in the same way lash failing against flying enemies is not a bug.
It was designed like that, plus a bit of luck  

[Matthew]

I feel more like Warden powers need review if you can't 1v2 some unclanned and survive...