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Realy i dont whine, it s just true, abjuration is much better.

Wish play only abjuration, yeah yeah. (Imms will think, let s catch him,
and make abjuration worse, so he will not be happy with playing abjuration,
but it was joke, i will not play abjuration)

Just warning, dont make alteration, because you will suffer greatly, it s total crap play this damned class, it s impossible to explore, it s impossible to good PK, only way - "RP as looser" - with that class it will be so easy :)))))

Also, dont make assassins beasts - totall crap, one of base skill of beasts - rage of wolverine is totall s**t now, not interesting, nor powerfull,

I d suggest shadow, season - not bad classes, have much interesting thing.

Fighters good, thieves good, but spellbook for thieves - dont think about it - nobody will lose percents for only one scribe for poor thief.

Rangers rule - make rangers, good in exploring, good in pk.

Necroses - hard to play, dont make it, only for gurmans, but powerfull.

Nah.

Thieves rule.

Necromancers, so powerful, so powerful, but to the wise thief they are meat. Same with fighters, same with anyone.

All are profit and meat to the thief.

beast assassin crap? i agree rage sucks but there are many positive sides to beast assassin such as the dragon blood, weapon turn, and a few others. plus great for pk. all in all i think you whine too much.

Dont want whine, i m really dont whine.

I just suggest, i dont whine because imms make rules and order in this world
and this is right.

We just can choose inside this rules and balance.

And i advice (in my honest opinion) choose this or that class, i dont want Gods do anything, all is ok, i just advice people what s better to choose.

WBR. no offence, no whine, we polite.

If they would return sanc to Alteration that would be something else..

Alteration mages total crap due thier form's phisical damage.

well damage is good but since one can be immune to physical
this days that i agree its totaly crap. ;)

And imms will not so much as little finger to change something
on them, so..this discusion is pointless

How can 'one' be immune to physical damage I ask you?

In very rare cases, yes. But your average thief, fighter, cleric? No

And its easy to gather some sanctuary equipment

ranger in solamnia, try to kill him

I think that Bomethos is no more but no confirmation on that.

Yes, ranger in solamnia....I said rare cases, and this is still rare. Rare rare rare, I only see one solamnic knight who ever enters anyway

still my mummies did grazes on him just before he turned immune.. :P

Then how about a new spell idea for necros? or maybe a new level of undead?

skeleton
zombie
mummy
and then, oh, I don't know...Wight? Harpy? Greater Zombie? Greater mummy? With different chances for different strikes....

I know Necro's are very strong, so don't yell at me  ;) I just like variety in all things, more skills more spells more things!

I like the idea, but assume that can come only tru manuals spellbooks..

What about a undead specialization?

Skeletons have high dex
Zombies high cons
Mummies high str???

well, it's a good idea, but necros are pretty strong already.

The idea for ranger is that he is incredibly strong in forest and weak outside it.

I assume you are talking about the bison ranger + minotaur
+ barkskin + eq + (trophy belt if in heretics) thingy,
I guess that is unbalanced, but... it is had to do and then any nimrod can go and get a nightmare blade at the very least by that point, or a shocking mace or somesuch, and completely ignore all the benifits of all these class features. However, It is completely lethal for assassins and alteration transmuters I guess, but neither of these groups has fared particularily well, or atleast by this point in their lives (assassins fade out at high ranks, don't they?) so it kindoff becomes a moot point...

also, rangers are supposed to be stronger in the forest, weaker outside, to a degree. But not ridiculously so, its more a question of most of their combat skills drawing themselves from the wild is it not?

No matter of what i will post here nothin will be changed... But i'll post anyway.

Alterations are godlike, unless they meet a person which is resisted to physical.
Way of gargoyle isnt worth the gold cost but its better than nothing, considering alterations have only 2 feats to choose - toughen and way of gargoyle. Armadillo is useless for now since there are not enough people for group wars, porcupine is ultimate. Tiger/lion are godlike. Bull is fine. Lesser forms sux for alteration trans. A manual could be implemented which gives alters new non-physical forms. I doubt anything will happen :)

Btw, RACIAL sneak(all elves) which works in form is bulls**t.(it also works when riding)

Forms ideas:

I dont know how to calculate dodge(size,dex,dodge skill)... lets say the best one is 100%.
dr - at hero.
A number in "()" is a tier of a form, 1 is lowlevel form, 4 is highest lvl.


Lion(4): 3-4 attacks,dodge 50%, dr 100-115, skill - rake.
Tiger(4): 4-5 attacks,dodge 65, dr 90-100, skill - rake/tear
Jaguar(3): 4-5 attacks,dodge 70, dr 50-60, skill - hunt,bite/rake,sneak
Cougar(3): 4-5 attacks,dodge 75, dr 40-55, skill - camouflage,analogue of ambush,tear/rake,sneak
Wildcat(1-2) 3-4 attacks, dodge 50%, dr 40-50, bite,awareness,sneak.

Jackal(2):5-6 attacks,dodge 80, dr 30-40, skill bite,carrion eating(eats corpses for hps)
White Wolf(3): 3-4 attacks,dodge 60,dr 40-50 bite/rake,hunt, resist cold, vuln fire.
Black Wolf(3): 3-4 attacks,dodge 55, dr 50-60, bite/rake,resist phys
Fox(2): 5-6 attacks,dodge 85, dr 25-35, bite,sneak,fox cunning(little chance of avoiding spells, protections against sneaky attacks:ambushes/bs/bj/strangle)

White Bear(4): 3-4 attacks,dodge 30%, dr 110-120, skill rake/tear/body crush, resist phys,cold. vuln fire
Grizzly(4): 3-4 attacks,dodge 30%, dr 125-135, skill rake/tear/body crush, resist phys.
Badger(2): 4-5 attacks,dodge 60, dr 40-55, skill bite/rake.

Alligator(4): 1-2 attacks,dodge 20%, dr 170-200, skill bite(damage x 0.4-0.6), resist phys,fire. vuln cold
Crocodile(3): 1-2 attacks,dodge 30%, dr 100-120, skill tail crush, resist phys,fire. vuln cold
Python(4): 1-2 attacks,dodge 40%, dr 70-90, constrict for high damage and with lag.high hp regen rate.
Giant lizard(1): 2-3 attacks, dodge 60%, dr 25-30,bite, high hp regen rate,analogue of rescue

Ostrich(2-3): 3-4 attacks(kicks), dodge 50%, dr 40-60, skill mighty kick with chance of lag :), and,perhaps, "run <direction>" - move 4-5 rooms in direction
specifed without movement lag.(mount)


Giant Raven(2): 3-4 attacks, dodge 60%, dr 35-45, skill peck in the eye,flying.

Kangaroo(3)  3-4 attacks, dodge 60%, dr 55-65, skill - might kick with chance of lag or leaping strike with chance of lag.

monkeys can handle objects.
Gorilla(4) 2-3 attacks,dodge 40%, dr 100-120, skill hammerfist-mighty strike with two hands- damage+chance to lag/stun. resist phys.
Marmoset(1) 5-6 attacks,dodge 70, dr 25-35, skill steal(60-70%), punch, hide.
chimpanzee(2) 4-5 attacks, dodge 60%, dr 40-50, skill punch.


Hare(3) 3-4 attacks, dodge 90-95,dr 35-40 bite, awaresness,analogue of rescue
Rabbit(1) 4-5 attacks, dodge 70, dr 30-35, bite,awareness,analogue of rescue
Ferret(1) 6-7 attacks, dodge 50%, dr 30-35, bite
Donkey(1) (2-3 attacks), dodge 40%, dr 30-40, kick, mount
Camel(2) (2-3 attacks), dodge 40%,dr 40-50, kick, mount, sustenance(need much less food water)
Hedgehog(1) 3-4 attacks, dodge 50%,dr 30-35, skill bite, sharp spikes :)
Armadillo(4) 2-3 attacks,dodge 30%,dr ~40. skill roll - свернуца в клубок(не может двигаца и атаковать), получить блокер 70-80%, resist almost all 60-80%,analogue of rescue
Porcupine
Scorpion(3): 3-4 attacks, dodge 40%, dr 50-70, res phys 30, immune poison. skills - scorpion sting/pincer

manual forms:
giants can handle objects.
Fire/Frost/Stone/Storm giants,2-3 attacks,dr 100-150,dodge 40%, parry 80%. all resist phys 30(stone - 60-70), fire - immune fire,-50 cold and so on. damtype fire/frost/phys/shock
Wielded - A huge maul.  skill maul - swing the maul for damage+chance of lag

Elementals
Fire/Water/Earth/Air. dodge 70-80% 3-4attacks,dr ~100(130-150 for earth),immune f/w/phys/a, resist all other стихии, кроме противоположной - к ней вульн 50. skills fire/water - engulf.
earth - hammerfist,stomp for earthquake. air - airbolt/shocking grasp.

That all sounds great but you are forgeting one thing
that you are talking to a wall.
 ::)

I like different forms idea.

Need descs/helps for any, I'll write and we can suggest them to Chemosh.



*A wall has spoken*  ;)

I can write desc for all those forms, but i still think the wall will be silent