Solace Old Forum

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Palanthas market square
  You stand at the central market place of Palanthas. Around you the
bustling markets of Palanthas spread out to greet citizens and visitors
alike. The smell of roasting meats and fresh baked bread fills the air.
The markets continue in all directions around you.

[Exits: north east south west]
(White Aura) Ludlum the male dwarf is here.
(White Aura) Elutharo the male minotaur is here.
A tall knight dressed in warm clothes eyes you carefully as he passes.

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Elutharo says 'return my blade Ydobb'

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Ludlum concentrates for a moment of prayer.

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Ludlum concentrates for a moment of prayer.

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Elutharo says 'That was once mine'

<268/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> chu

A Solamnic footman scans the area for signs of trouble, then settles back content.

<268/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> You chuckle politely.

<268/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> rela
You are already in a relaxed fighting stance.

<268/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> Ludlum looks at Elutharo.

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Ludlum looks at Elutharo.

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Elutharo looks at you.

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A Solamnic footman fingers his sword idly, trying to decide if the peace is about to be broken.

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You yell 'Help! Elutharo is bashing me!'
Elutharo sends you sprawling with a powerful bash!
A Solamnic footman says 'Elutharo is fighting in the city! PROTECT THE INNOCENT!!'
Elutharo's bash grazes you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You recover from the fall and jump up on your legs!
Elutharo has some small wounds.

<264/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> say now it's mine
You say 'now it's mine'
Elutharo has some small wounds.

<264/1488hp 349/483m 349/387mv [NESW] 343239> Ludlum concentrates for a moment of prayer.

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A Solamnic spearman yells 'Elutharo is breaking the law! PROTECT THE INNOCENT!! BANZAI!!'
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A Knight of Solamnia yells 'Elutharo is breaking the law! PROTECT THE INNOCENT!! BANZAI!!'

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Nice grandmaster we have... Cool knight's RP =)
I guess imms should do something with it

I think there is nothing wrong if Elutharo is neutral ethos.

There was once Grandmistress of Solamnia, that was cool tittle :)

I like how only the end part of the log is shown. little one sided i think

Ehh.. I thought only lawful aligns are allowed in Solamnia... And they're all knights actually.

when a heretic attacks a knight in the city he may strike back, and we don't have the whole story

maybe he broke the law prior to 'give it back'

this is a problem becaus RP for knights both solomnia and Takhisis follow the laws of there knighthood not so much the law of the city their lawful is toward there clan laws. not sure how to fix it but it is a problem none the less. On the otherhand Elutharo's RP has been called on many times Zondra always the faithful lacky always defending no matter what. attacking in the city is not the problem here as i see it but the why in which he did it is. Zondra your char should be good align because you are always at the grandmasters disposal. Be careful zondra Elutharo might yet find a way to blame you again.

loggin' was off. this is just cut/paste.

small prehistory:

they appeared as always 3 in almost same time and came to reraid and raid. i came to defend (to kill Grahn at least. as less protected) but damage was too massive. i retreated to city. Lawful knights of Solamnia didn't attack first (as guardians) in past (i'm playin solace nearly 3-4 years from time to time) btw Ludlum and Grahn didn't (day before)

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A Solamnic footman scans the area for signs of trouble, then settles back content.
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this part shows that neither me nor them didn't fight in city before.

PS i didn't whine about simultaneous login and my followin death and lost of my closes (it's only my clumsy hands :)) just wanted to hear opinion of mass and immortals to make a conclusions: is it safe in city or not ?

Dunno about safety in cities.. I just don't think that knight can tell something like that: this candy is mine! give it to me! Like kindergarden really  :-\

All i'm saying is that some times things happen and we don't know the whole story. should he have waited him to leave the city or attack him first. yes but i wasn't there so i can't say much..

my guess is because its about the same time we're around every day(12:00am - about 2:00ish USEast) - if you are on early in the day or later than that you generally wont see me at least.

Oh here we go again with the bitching .... Jesus christ ... Wait a minute, if we all live in same timezone ( Grahn, Ludlum, myself) and lets say we work together (as in job), and all get out at same time, then thats not my fault we all get to play at the same time. Now you complaining about me attacking in city ..ok... Against my clan.. alright, BUT you stupid bloodthirsty heretics still DONT ACT LIKE HERETICS. I dont give a rats ass Ydobb what you think i should and shouldn't do. Your a "heretic" and dont follow your own rules.  On top of that my clan didnt loot your clan for a while, while you guys still did, then you austin and some other idiot looted my corpse and the other day i was robbed of everything by a takhisis thief, so im a bit bitter, if you dont like it ... whatever i dont care anymore... The wolf who cries wolf is what your like Ydobb... 

Elutharo, you are a little crying baby.

.......I didnt start this thread jackass.... nor did i post anything about the bulls**t that happened to me.. its part of the game and i deal with it like every other person does...

Elutharo you did not just say you were bitter after being raped of all your Eq did you? Wow how the tables have turned. Last I remember you had you lacky destroy all mine during a clan fight, and you had the nerve to tell me you had nothing to do with it. You don't have the right to be bitter. well at least your gameplay is consistant.

Please tell me what lacky i had destroy your gear... I would never tell someone to destroy gear I would do it my damn self.... If you know for sure i made him do it then fine, sadly i didnt, you just think that, dont accuse me of things you think of..

wrong wording there... dont blame me for things you think i did but aren't 100% sure of. I guess accusing is just make an educated guess... BAH anyway yes dont blame me etc..

don't acuse you? what the hell do you mean the first time i asked you. you said you sacrificed so the items would not be used for evil when i confronted thelemon he turned around and asked you and you blamed Zondra BTW Zondra kept my flesh wraped mace for a long time. that mace is not very neutral oriented. During a clan battle you had an unclaned with you, Zondra. you got lucky and killed me. then i know not what happend from there but when i came back all my eq was gone. So don't tell me that you didn't have something to do with it or is your selective memory caring to ommit that?

You said i told someone to sacrafice it jackass..... BTW a few days before that incident with Zondra, Zondra was ganged by three takhisis knights for as i remember no reason at all.  Seeing how she is neutral i dont get that... Anyways... they full looted and sacced what they didnt use, ALSO i didnt get lucky, i destroyed you. Zondra couldnt sanc me so Zondra didnt help out that much....

it is amazing how that story changes every time. Thank you for once again using a diferent story to enlighten me with.

How is that a different story. i remember when i helped him kill you. i had no problem with your clan and then three of you ganged me and full looted. so why wouldn't i help a knight? and maybe i am sticking up for him. but you don't see him going around and random pking people and with heretics how this all started i've seen him kill shuno couple times and once when granh was 100% naked. and they returned everything to him. and then when they kill a knight ydobb and austin and everyone esle i've seen started to take it all. i will think what i want but i know that is how it happened and yes i took your mace. but that is all i took. i lost all and took your mace. get over it

Also Galihad, please tell me how my story changed... Your a god damn moron... First of all i didnt say what i did with your things, nor did i say i had someone sac them. I said if i wanted it done i would have done it myself, therefor ZONDRA SACRAFICED ALL OF IT ON HER OWN WILL.. Thank you for giving me a little chuck for your incompitance, deeply appreciated *thumbs up*

I'll be perfectly honest 'knight of the rose' means i answer up to someone higher than me -- making me the lackey of elutharo and kiri, and if they say its okay to strike in the city then you better believe i'm gonna be a good lackey.
but until that happens i play it safe and follow the laws of the city too.

basically i am saying i'm in the middle when thinking for myself...agreeing with galihad and elutharo at the same time -- city laws are important and will be followed unless overridden by my superiors.  :)

While you watched. you don't get it this is about your RP you claim you had nothing to do with it. what? So did Zondra tell you to turn your back and do nothing? RP isn't just about your actions it is also about lack of action. It is not vary honorable to sit and do nothing while another person ransacts someones things. Don't tell me you had no choice you led the atack and your char had the power to stop them at any moment. Did your char say anything? no. BTW you say you never said "i destoyed so they would not be defialed by evil?" well there were takhisis knights with me and thay said that you did. and holding onto my equipment i belive when our thief took your weapon from you you told him that you would traid my items to retreve your sword back.  The honorable minotaur knight of the Rose wanted to barter my things back for his weapon. Ya nice RP.
I do wish Imm would apiont a new grandmaster because in my eyes as long as you are in solomnia clan you further defile the game. I wish Sir Thelemon would have been given the title and not you. but that is another story.

Well, first of all, Thelemon is no more, or so I understand, what with his lack of presence in the realms and all, but like you say, that's another story.
If we're going on about honor of Knights and such, can we please, please talk about the Knights of Takhisis? ;D
From the title the Knights of Takhisis, and the fact that the pantheon of gods is fully intact (implying that Solace does not take place after the War of Souls), one can assume then that this is the force formed by Ariakas prior to the War of Chaos (think that's what it's called, haven't read that book in a while).
Now, the thing about the Knights of Takhisis is that they were based primarily on Solamnia.  Since Takhisis found that with the individual ambitions of her commanders, her armies collapsed and she lost the War of the Lance.  Ariakas, son of Ariakan, was captured just after that war by the Solamnics.  They didn't execute him (no clue why), but rather kept him prisoner.  During that time, he studied them and their code, their honor and strategies and so forth (again, no clue why they let him see all this).  He formed the Knights of Takhisis on those same factors, honor and loyalty to ones' comrades, etc, with the exception being that they were devoted to Takhisis instead of Paladine, basically.
Now, to judge from the current RP I've been seeing from the "Knights of Takhisis" of Solace, this really isn't the case.  Very rarely, if ever, do we see one of them behaving as they would have in the proper Knights of Takhisis, with honor and respect for their foe, not kicking when their foe is down, so to speak.  They didn't burn down cities they captured, but rather protected them and the citizens, even helping them prosper more.  I could go into detail on this, but this post is already getting long as it is. ;D
Anyways, the gist of this is, either the current "Knights of Takhisis" should be playing like Solamnics just devoted to a different cause, the capturing (NOT destroying) of the world for their Queen, or else rename them the Dragonarmies again.
And that's it for this rant for now, been bugging me for a while ;)
PS. Yes, I like to read Dragonlance, have for a while, and remember details decently ;)

Anyone is welcome to reply of course, and perform verbal ripostes if they deem it necessary ;D

Don't get me wrong half the reason i stoped playing my Takhisis knight because honestly i agree with you. the Takhisis knights lost alot of there RP honor, but so did Solomnia. I know thelemon is nomore though i did like him and yes we as opposets did talk in a formal tone both understanding are place. I know not the resent actions of takhisis knights because i resently paused from playing for awial  (alot of family buisiness).

What right does he have to tell me to do anything. if i remember right we killed you 2-3 times maybe more. each time we may have took one thing. and yet you kept coming back to try and kill us. and even haven't all that you still had somethings. i think after all that i took your maces and maybe your robes if i remember right. but we left the rest. or well most, you are all going his a cry baby. he was cleaved 3 times by a tak. knight in the spam of like a week and full looted each time..and he didn't post it once or bitch one time. so i think you may need to get over it. were is the post about all the times i got killed and full looted? you won't find it, because we don't whine to everyone

also i think the knights of takhisis never really 'lost' their honor because there are plenty of people who play and know the realm, but arent too in tune with the actual basis of the games basically most people see it as this

solamnia = good = not loot
takhisis = bad = loot

where they say to themselves 'i'm evil and an evil person would be looting me right now just because of that'

it should really be read (agreeing with gal/sol)

solamnia = honor = dont loot
takhisis = honor = dont loot 

when i play good or evil i try to keep kind of an absolute value view on it (if you want to relate it to numbers)  where good and evil are the same but with completely opposite views kinda like this
I Takhisis I = I Solamnia I   the same way I-1I = I1I

EHh i already proposed to discuss such things with imms and fix the help files.
Cos one help files says Takhisis clan is ARMY, not knighthood, another one says it was founded by Ariakas, therefore its a knighthood, yet thieves can freely join it, so its army.

Full loot/loot of good things/not loot is not thing of honour. its thing of good manner. Ppl who full loot/full sac are morons. Deny them all, they ruin all fun the game gives.

Agree.

in short:

being lawful - it's not just requirement to join Solamnia. i always thought: if you'r lawful - obey the laws. NOT only orders of your leader, but laws.

especially for Knights of Solamnia.

Ludlum thought such as i remember ... it happens just day before this situation.

i don't discuss about minotaurish honor (it's another theme)

to Elutharo: damn, i told: i don't want to know same timezone you'r livin or not. (i just didn't saw you alone w/o Ludlum, but it's up to you ;D ) i asked only one thing: "why you attacked me inside protected (by Solamnia too as i remeber) area ?" and you didn't answer ... so what for numerous posts about loots, roleplay of Heretics ? watch your own roleplay (i don't want even discuss YOUR roleplay) I'VE JUST ASKED: is it safe in Palanthas while i'm hunted by Solamnia (about other clans i know answer ;D )

ah, Elutharo, sorry ! i know YOUR answer ;D

i ment i wanna hear opinion of rest of players and especially immortals.

Бля, делать вам нехуй, из-за такой мелочи столько базарили тут .... ;D ;D

Maybe Solamnia's reasoning is to eliminate a major threat to other people in a city that is sort-of under their protection? (not completely since Guardians split)

Well i know it doesnt matter now... but sure its safe, dont be a dousche bag and your safe... You know the crap you did to deserve but OH well, im over it, so im sure you will be soon too.  But anyway it doesn't matter, Farewell Ydobb good luck with the whole bloodthirsty "i hate magic, even though i use it" thing.

Sounds strange, but I do agree with Solan in that case..

Hmm, do you mean the concept I stated sounded strange, or do you mean it's strange that you're agreeing with me? ;D ;D ::)

Or that you're strange?  ;D ;D :o 8) ::) :P :-* ;D lol or all of the above?

Thought that was common knowledge already ;D ;) :P  8)

You aren't weird you are gifted. yea...

lol

I have a keychain on my bag that says the same thing ;D

It was player called Umashmepara. It's deeds of ancient times and of another worlds.
   Uma was leader of clan called Freyr - Solamnia analog.

She died a lot of times. Just coz she went to protect her hq even with enemy superirity. Just she were real knight.
  
   Pity to know no peoples of such class NOW and HERE.

She was quite a bitch. Don't mention Helliconia MUD here, it makes me sick.  :o

 Just show of knight attacking in city center make me sick. Well it's allowed, but it has such unpleasant taste, that i just have to remember something nice..or dream about it :P
  Seems all the world is turning about stuff, without any another ideals, and the head of torch, that eliminates shroud, the part of such world in the same degree, in what the usual lowlevel looter is.

Lets treat that topic as something about honour and roleplay - so few things for you to discuss as well:
1) Unusual thing - some noble person (lets call it knight, though it can be takhisis, heretic, solamnia or any other) come to reraid or defend during raid and dies.. Very noble enemies return him ALL of his clothes and weapons. What a noble person should do now? Return his item back. He goes, dies again, noble enemies give him all back. Rinse and repeat:)
2) Second thing - all cry about full loot. Men, be honest with yourself. If you wont be allowed to loot ( full loot is actually a very thin notion, that cant be fully defined) - will you play that game?? It will turn into another quest mud with limited pk

Wanted to say something else - but forgot  :-\