what i missunderstand (part II)

[Elutharo]

.......I didnt start this thread jackass.... nor did i post anything about the bulls**t that happened to me.. its part of the game and i deal with it like every other person does...

[galihad]

Elutharo you did not just say you were bitter after being raped of all your Eq did you? Wow how the tables have turned. Last I remember you had you lacky destroy all mine during a clan fight, and you had the nerve to tell me you had nothing to do with it. You don't have the right to be bitter. well at least your gameplay is consistant.

[Elutharo]

Please tell me what lacky i had destroy your gear... I would never tell someone to destroy gear I would do it my damn self.... If you know for sure i made him do it then fine, sadly i didnt, you just think that, dont accuse me of things you think of..

[Elutharo]

wrong wording there... dont blame me for things you think i did but aren't 100% sure of. I guess accusing is just make an educated guess... BAH anyway yes dont blame me etc..

[galihad]

don't acuse you? what the hell do you mean the first time i asked you. you said you sacrificed so the items would not be used for evil when i confronted thelemon he turned around and asked you and you blamed Zondra BTW Zondra kept my flesh wraped mace for a long time. that mace is not very neutral oriented. During a clan battle you had an unclaned with you, Zondra. you got lucky and killed me. then i know not what happend from there but when i came back all my eq was gone. So don't tell me that you didn't have something to do with it or is your selective memory caring to ommit that?

[Elutharo]

You said i told someone to sacrafice it jackass..... BTW a few days before that incident with Zondra, Zondra was ganged by three takhisis knights for as i remember no reason at all.  Seeing how she is neutral i dont get that... Anyways... they full looted and sacced what they didnt use, ALSO i didnt get lucky, i destroyed you. Zondra couldnt sanc me so Zondra didnt help out that much....

[galihad]

it is amazing how that story changes every time. Thank you for once again using a diferent story to enlighten me with.

[zondra]

How is that a different story. i remember when i helped him kill you. i had no problem with your clan and then three of you ganged me and full looted. so why wouldn't i help a knight? and maybe i am sticking up for him. but you don't see him going around and random pking people and with heretics how this all started i've seen him kill shuno couple times and once when granh was 100% naked. and they returned everything to him. and then when they kill a knight ydobb and austin and everyone esle i've seen started to take it all. i will think what i want but i know that is how it happened and yes i took your mace. but that is all i took. i lost all and took your mace. get over it

[Elutharo]

Also Galihad, please tell me how my story changed... Your a god damn moron... First of all i didnt say what i did with your things, nor did i say i had someone sac them. I said if i wanted it done i would have done it myself, therefor ZONDRA SACRAFICED ALL OF IT ON HER OWN WILL.. Thank you for giving me a little chuck for your incompitance, deeply appreciated *thumbs up*

[Ludlum]

just wanted to hear opinion of mass and immortals to make a conclusions: is it safe in city or not ?

I'll be perfectly honest 'knight of the rose' means i answer up to someone higher than me -- making me the lackey of elutharo and kiri, and if they say its okay to strike in the city then you better believe i'm gonna be a good lackey.
but until that happens i play it safe and follow the laws of the city too.

basically i am saying i'm in the middle when thinking for myself...agreeing with galihad and elutharo at the same time -- city laws are important and will be followed unless overridden by my superiors. 

[galihad]

ZONDRA SACRAFICED ALL OF IT ON HER OWN WILL..

While you watched. you don't get it this is about your RP you claim you had nothing to do with it. what? So did Zondra tell you to turn your back and do nothing? RP isn't just about your actions it is also about lack of action. It is not vary honorable to sit and do nothing while another person ransacts someones things. Don't tell me you had no choice you led the atack and your char had the power to stop them at any moment. Did your char say anything? no. BTW you say you never said "i destoyed so they would not be defialed by evil?" well there were takhisis knights with me and thay said that you did. and holding onto my equipment i belive when our thief took your weapon from you you told him that you would traid my items to retreve your sword back.  The honorable minotaur knight of the Rose wanted to barter my things back for his weapon. Ya nice RP.
I do wish Imm would apiont a new grandmaster because in my eyes as long as you are in solomnia clan you further defile the game. I wish Sir Thelemon would have been given the title and not you. but that is another story.

[Solan]

Well, first of all, Thelemon is no more, or so I understand, what with his lack of presence in the realms and all, but like you say, that's another story.
If we're going on about honor of Knights and such, can we please, please talk about the Knights of Takhisis?
From the title the Knights of Takhisis, and the fact that the pantheon of gods is fully intact (implying that Solace does not take place after the War of Souls), one can assume then that this is the force formed by Ariakas prior to the War of Chaos (think that's what it's called, haven't read that book in a while).
Now, the thing about the Knights of Takhisis is that they were based primarily on Solamnia.  Since Takhisis found that with the individual ambitions of her commanders, her armies collapsed and she lost the War of the Lance.  Ariakas, son of Ariakan, was captured just after that war by the Solamnics.  They didn't execute him (no clue why), but rather kept him prisoner.  During that time, he studied them and their code, their honor and strategies and so forth (again, no clue why they let him see all this).  He formed the Knights of Takhisis on those same factors, honor and loyalty to ones' comrades, etc, with the exception being that they were devoted to Takhisis instead of Paladine, basically.
Now, to judge from the current RP I've been seeing from the "Knights of Takhisis" of Solace, this really isn't the case.  Very rarely, if ever, do we see one of them behaving as they would have in the proper Knights of Takhisis, with honor and respect for their foe, not kicking when their foe is down, so to speak.  They didn't burn down cities they captured, but rather protected them and the citizens, even helping them prosper more.  I could go into detail on this, but this post is already getting long as it is.
Anyways, the gist of this is, either the current "Knights of Takhisis" should be playing like Solamnics just devoted to a different cause, the capturing (NOT destroying) of the world for their Queen, or else rename them the Dragonarmies again.
And that's it for this rant for now, been bugging me for a while
PS. Yes, I like to read Dragonlance, have for a while, and remember details decently

Anyone is welcome to reply of course, and perform verbal ripostes if they deem it necessary

[galihad]

Don't get me wrong half the reason i stoped playing my Takhisis knight because honestly i agree with you. the Takhisis knights lost alot of there RP honor, but so did Solomnia. I know thelemon is nomore though i did like him and yes we as opposets did talk in a formal tone both understanding are place. I know not the resent actions of takhisis knights because i resently paused from playing for awial  (alot of family buisiness).

[zondra]

What right does he have to tell me to do anything. if i remember right we killed you 2-3 times maybe more. each time we may have took one thing. and yet you kept coming back to try and kill us. and even haven't all that you still had somethings. i think after all that i took your maces and maybe your robes if i remember right. but we left the rest. or well most, you are all going his a cry baby. he was cleaved 3 times by a tak. knight in the spam of like a week and full looted each time..and he didn't post it once or bitch one time. so i think you may need to get over it. were is the post about all the times i got killed and full looted? you won't find it, because we don't whine to everyone

[Dudley]

also i think the knights of takhisis never really 'lost' their honor because there are plenty of people who play and know the realm, but arent too in tune with the actual basis of the games basically most people see it as this

solamnia = good = not loot
takhisis = bad = loot

where they say to themselves 'i'm evil and an evil person would be looting me right now just because of that'

it should really be read (agreeing with gal/sol)

solamnia = honor = dont loot
takhisis = honor = dont loot 

when i play good or evil i try to keep kind of an absolute value view on it (if you want to relate it to numbers)  where good and evil are the same but with completely opposite views kinda like this
I Takhisis I = I Solamnia I   the same way I-1I = I1I