Improved magic missile

[Rialon]

Magic missile was improved. Improve subj also?

[strange_dude]

I still cant get why MM was Improved that much....
If you will improve improved MM in the same way it will be one of the coolest damaging spell

[Bacuha]

Yes, objuras must be happy now

[Quino]

strip all damaging spells from abjurers!

[Critic]

agree.
sanc, harden, displace, ironskin, spellturn and *DEMOLISH* every round - too kewl. 

[strange_dude]

Critic its far from ***demolish*** you know. Its about massacres.  but still in past the only way for abjurers to get such a spell was to join a cabal and now they get it for free.

[Critic]

we talk about transmutters
they have soften
so demolish-devastate with soften and raistlin

[Quino]

I had mangles-***demolishes*** at 25 rank cleric vs 27 rank trans through soften, shroud and 40 reflexes.

[strange_dude]

I like "with raistlin" the most.
Try to get one
Whatever its offtopic, in general I agree its too cool for abjurers to have such spell as basic one.

[Nuitari]

Hmm.. for once we see some agreement between players on topic of someone's overpoweredness 
Will be.. hrm.. nerfed 

[Nierth]

=( Because they may be do not understand how hard to play without even 1 damage spell.

I am against, though it maybe not so important already=(

[Critic]

most of all of us played by abjurers, Nierth ))
If ONE OF US says it's too hard to play without damage spell (scrolls! wands! orbs!) - it doesn't mean he (she) is right and expirienced in it 

[strange_dude]

Nierth - join cabal and problem solved.

I see another sh*t about abjurers - now the SUCK to heretics TOTALY. And its damn wrong, cut the f*cking paint.

[Nuitari]

Hush! *hugs Nierth in a warm and loving embrace, whispering something in her ear*
magic missile will be cut for mid-high ranks, warpaint..... probably... in some way or another. It's really too cool.
Or maybe we'll unroll our long-awaited recall replacement *snickers softly*

[Nierth]

Critic, I do not understand what you're talking about. =)

Strange_dude, I know, I know, played in clans =)

Anyway, everything became clear for me already.

[master]

(havent played abjurers, so this is offtop)
trying to imagine Alodea with staff of stars and improved mm
*shiver*

but there is only one staff of stars... what about other abjurers...?
maybe flag chromatic armor with abjurer_only
I think 'massacre' with mm and soften would be ideal, because its energy damage, and except invoker noone can get good resistances for that.

[Rialon]

Erm... And to think i started this thread as an idea for an invoker spell...

[Quino]

Don't you think five demolishes (dismembers/reflex save)/annihilates(spellcraft; ***deva*** with reflex save) will be way too much?

[Rialon]

Well, no need to improve every hit to the level of regular one. With spellcraft i get demolishes on low mods with regular missile. 5 Mangles with imroved would be good. Well, maybe not, i don't know. Just seems odd, that a spellbook spell, which states 'improved' actually does same or less damage. So wanted to give the idea a shot. But seems it was not a popular one.